Fantino is speaking on Thursday

Fantino is on the speakers list for Thursday here in Toronto. :mad:

I don't like the sound of that, He is as much of a dog expert as Bryant. I knows he supports the ban for the protection of his officer's, To him they come first, And I cannot fault him for that, but does he really think that banning pit's, will force the underworld to go out and get Chihuahuas?

What if the next dog that MB decides to ban is the GS, as it is a high bite offender, (more so than pits? more so than any breed, I don't know the figures), and is the dog of choice of the police? Will Fantino be so keen on banning that breed? I think not!

Should be interesting to see where he comes out as he is ending his cop career and quite probably starting a political career.......with John Tory's PC party.

Ya, should be interesting. Bryant and the Official Opposition are also speaking first. If anyone hears or sees any news coverage today, pls post!

I had heard that he had been talking to the fibs about a job so If that is true his stance becomes somewhat more clear. The drug dealers in the Grange park have already started adding more breeds to thier collection, I work at a community centre there and when I see them with their pit bulls I ask them what theyre going to do about the ban , One told me he was just walking the pit bull for a friend and he had an Akit and something else, maybe a Rotti at home. Fantino knows better than we do how fast pits will be replaced by more vicious dogs. Not that those breeds are vicious but in the drug dealers hands or any thugs for that matter they would be . So Im out questioning drug dealers, whats he doing, interviewing for his next job?

If he has been since offered a conservative post may be he has changed his position and will be more moderate about the ban. has anyone heard a statement from him lately. Probably will just havae to wait. I think hes speaking soon after MB in the agenda so it doiesn't look good.

Ya, last I heard Fantino was being offered the Public Security post by the fiberals but haven't heard anything since a letter was very publicly sent to Dalton about Fantino and his ability or inability to act appropriatly in the event of an emergency. Specifically, his regard for peoples rights seems to fly out the window depending on the situation. All this after an inquiry into the raiding of a Lesbian event by Toronto's finest. It was found that the police acted inappropriatly and Fantino said something along the lines of he disagreed with the finding and would do it again.

Oh and by the way babyrocky1, thanks for the referral, the Vet was great.

I beleive Fantino said he disagreed with the recomendations for sesnsitivity re-training, not that he disagreed with the findings.

That Public Security offer from the Fibs was to head him off potentially running for the PC's and taking a seat from the Fibs next election.

mb needs somebody with authority to present for the ban side. up to now they have only really had first person accounts, while the side against the ban has been stacked with people with dr. in front of their name presenting objectively.

some people will assume fantino's postition to be genuine and factual because he's the chief.

it's all optics.

I beleive Fantino said he disagreed with the recomendations for sesnsitivity re-training, not that he disagreed with the findings.

That Public Security offer from the Fibs was to head him off potentially running for the PC's and taking a seat from the Fibs next election.

This is how it was reported:

http://toronto.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=to-fantino20050117

I really have no idea on this specific incident, but just keep in mind... the media isn't always objective, right, or even accurate. We of all people know that.

Jono

As I was out walking my boy on one his last days without a muzzle a horrible thought occured to me. Fantino will probably talk about the guy who got attacked by the two pits, the one some of us wanted to get a private det. to investigate. The one that bred the dogs himself and I couldnt find the news paper article that printed the story. I let it go because it died down again after Xmas. I just called the NDP party with the faint hope that they might look into it but whoever answred the phone and yes I know I should have gotten her name, didn't sound the least bit interested, nor did she understand what I was talking about. She seemed to think I was on the other side. Finally she let me finish what I was saying and said that Peter Kormos probably has that elusive article, I hope so. As I said before I was told that the house knows that the guys were thugs so maybe theyll find a way on their own to ask the questions in a legal way but at the same time getting the point across.

Im glad it worked out for you Dukie boy. I was there yesterday and one of the technicians was telling me that she has a pit and a staff. The pit was purchased from a city shelter for 100.00. She wrote a letter asking , and Im paraphrasing now, how could they sell her a dog a few years ago and now tell her its illegal or Dangerous. I never thought about that angle before the city and province are the ones who sold many of us dog lovers our pups!Pits Staffs Rottis GS all the so called Bad guys! Wouldnt that leave them in some sort of legal dilema obviously a moral one, oh ya not relevant :crazy: the moral one I mean.

When they first announced the proposed legislation I made some inquiries about just that and within days they stopped posting thier pits for adoption. About a month or so later they started posting and adopting them out again. I think that the Citys or rather the Mayors position was not really the position of the folks that actually work in the City's shelters. I am sure some pressure was brought to bear by City staff because they are adopting them out again. I don't know if you had a chance to look at the report to council it isn't blatantly opposed to breed specific legislation but you can tease it out. I have already questioned the Mayor in an email on the contradiction but haven't heard back. There are soooo many contradictions here. Today I would actually hesitate emailing him again because I don't want the pits to suddenly disappear again. :sad: I think the problem is and always has been around the BSL is that the folks making the decisions are really removed from the reality of the situation.

sorry about the spelling

Thats a good point Dukie boy. Im glad to here they are being adopted again and I certainly wouldnt want that to stop! I had heard rumours to the opposite. The citys position is a complete mystery to me. The more I read the more confusing it gets? If anyone is in Trinity Spadina, I would like to get a group of dog owners together and demand a meeting with our councellor, Olivia Chow. I dont think the group needs to be that large but a personal meeting is the best way to go!

I read the 29 pages but it was a tough read. I thought they were opposed to BSL from what I read but the THS seems to think not, I know alot of us read the report, it was posted here. The writer was not this Fillion person that is for the ban. The NDP is against the ban but Olivia was on t.v. defending muzzling the daycare pittie. Thats why Im confused. I have telephoned her office many times the last person I spoke to is new but seemed onside, I had asked to speak to her personaly since Ive spent atleast 15 campaigns knocking on doors with her and for her and have not heard a word. :mad:

My faith in Fantino took a hit when he supported the ban . I lost all faith in the guy a few weeks later when i heard the Liars were recruting him to be head of another questionable department , emergency response or something like that .
Fantino's future has probably not been decided but one thing for sure is "don't expect him to bite the hand that is probably going to be feeding him for the next while ".

Hopefully, he leaves time for some questions.
Maybe opposition will grill him about the incident with the two pits.

If it is true( as in the original Star story) that the police were called a couple times prior to that incident, he may come across as trying to cover his behind.

I trulely hope someone questions him on it and a few other ones as well .
As for protecting his officers , I know there are a few on this board that don't feel banning one breed is going to make them any safer . Busting into a drugdealers house and facing a trained 60 lb pitbull now or a trained 160lb Rotty in the future ? I think I would keep things as they are and take my chances

My faith in Fantino took a hit when he supported the ban . I lost all faith in the guy a few weeks later when i heard the Liars were recruting him to be head of another questionable department , emergency response or something like that .
Fantino's future has probably not been decided but one thing for sure is "don't expect him to bite the hand that is probably going to be feeding him for the next while ".

i lost faith in him when he started to try and shape public policy (years ago), rather than enforce it as a police chief is suppose to do.

not to mention his denial that there is racial profiling on the force. dumb move. he would have been better admitting it, and working with the civilian body to reduce it.

I do not know on what sources Fantino will rely on for his speech. I work for TPS and can say that the TPS does not collect dog-related information, other than dog bites against humans, which are reported on "Incident" forms. These bites are ONLY what is reported to police, and most bites aren't - so there is no statistical reliability anyway.

The police DO NOT have any inside training on how to identify a pit bull. It is purely an officer's individual presumption, supported only by the presumptions of "witnesses" and possibly the presumption of an animal control officer.

I have worked in Rexdale and in the Jane/Finch area. I used to have a bad impression of these dogs only because of media reports and because of the gang-bangers who displayed them as their back-up. But I soon noticed that none of these dogs ever acted aggressively toward me. The impression faded and soon enough I would stop and pet these dogs as their "tough" owners would walk by me. The dogs would kiss and lick me!

I ended up taking an abadoned pittie to the shelter (long story) but then he had to be put down by shelter staff because he was not socially reliable enough to be adoptable. It broke my heart! But I resolved to save the next pittie that came up in the shelter, so that s/he wouldn't suffer at the hands of thugs. And, my pittie has been my sweet darling angel ever since. When the pit bull issue comes up at work I tell the guys about my girl, and nintey-eight percent of the guys see that it's the way you raise a dog. It's funny that you still have to tell people that in this day and age(?)

Anyway, the point is, there were a couple of incidents in 31 Div. where a pit bull killed a smaller dog, I seem to remember. I'm not sure how they id'd the dog as a pit bull. However, I personally have never heard of an officer being confronted by a pit bull. I believe most coppers only have to be told it's the way you raise them, and maybe see pics, or actual pitties in responsible hands, in order to appreciate these dogs. That's all. And I think most of the public fall into that category also-they just need to experience the "unreported, unsensationalized, NICE" doggies.

The only way Fantino is going to get information from officers, is PURELY from the grapevine. The grapevine is not credible data. He has NOT addressed the issue to the Service in any of his communication, and neither has he surveyed any officers. He IS NOT representing the Service, although he may say he is AND THAT IS NOT TRUE. He is only representing his own views, and like I said, his information is based on rumour and speculation only, and of course the same media garbage that he reads everyday. (THE EXACT SAME is true for any other speaker representing Toronto Police, or an organization which encompasses same.)

I always tell coppers that they should know better than anyone else how it feels to be stereotyped and discriminated against. ;)

Hope this helps.

IF ANYONE WANTS MORE INFO, OR HELP WITH REBUTTAL, EMAIL ME OR CALL ME!

Suzanne