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Don't have time for their pooch?

Schwinn
January 13th, 2005, 04:33 PM
I've been looking at some of the shelter and Humane Society sites (rather dumb on my part, might wind up with a brother or sister for Daisy), and I've notice a lot of dogs that are dumped because the owner "doesn't have time for them". Now, forgetting the whole issue of why they would get a dog in the first place if they don't have time (let's assume that thier situation changed unexpectedly after they got the pooch), I wanted to get some opinions on that? Personally, I find that kind of wierd. I mean, I'm not even sure what that means? Some of these dogs are a couple of years old (and most are pitbulls, so I'm leaning towards this being an excuse), but I've heard people say that before. My personal opinion is that if the dog is taken care of (well fed, treated well, allowed to go outside for breaks), then the important thing is the dog is happy. Ideally, we would take Daisy to a 50 acre field and let her chase snowballs and run around until she collapsed of exhaustion, thinking she just hit the puppy jackpot. Unfortunatly, I leave at 6 am and get home at 9:30 pm, and with my wife being pregnant, there are times were she collapses on the couch and falls asleep, unable to take Daisy in the backyard for 20 minutes of bubble chasing time. As guilty as we feel, I don't think we could fathom getting rid of her, especially since she seems happy, and we do our best to give her attention when we are home. It could be argued that our situation is only temporary, but I still come to the same conclusion--"Don't have time for her" just sounds like a bogus reason to get rid of your dog. It sounds like someone getting rid of a set of golf clubs, or pair of skiis they don't use, because they "don't have time anymore".

mastifflover
January 13th, 2005, 05:02 PM
I agree with you it is an excuse just as we are having a baby so we have to rehome our dog. Are you getting rid of Daisy, No you will work to make sure she is not jealous and is comfortable with the baby she will be fine it just requires a little extra work. When I work on some shows I am out 14-16 hours a day but I make sure my dog has a walker or goes to day care but get rid of him, never cross my mind. You have to adapt. There are times he gets me home all day and then off to work at night, so I am sure he would rather be at home with me even if I was sleeping then be sitting in a shelter waiting to be adopted by someone. They love us and put up with a lot and will adapt to most situation. Look at Gypsy and Twinmommy how she has worked to make it all work and we know it has not been easy. It is a lame excuse and 99% of the time that is all it is, is and excuse.

CarlaD
January 13th, 2005, 05:30 PM
It makes me totally sad when I read things like that.

The same thing if someone says " I took my puppy back, because I didn't sleep for three nights and he kept peeing in the house" HELLO ... think about it, it is just like a human baby.

Rottimom
January 13th, 2005, 06:01 PM
I cannot fathom any situation which would make me "Get rid" of Hercules. He is part of my family and much to the amusement of some of my friends or family, he is my child. We are trying to get pregnant, and NO part of my future includes getting rid of Hercules. No matter how much work it will take to adjust to a new baby, it will be well worth it. Getting rid of him is not an option.

I try not to judge someone whose shoes I have not walked in, but I do not agree with or understand people who get rid of a family pet because they have no time. MAKE the time.

I believe that Herc is a very lucky dog because of how much he is loved, but he deserves no less. He is a faithful, non-judgemental and loyal friend. He makes me laugh and smile every single day. What could be worth more than that?

Schwinn
January 13th, 2005, 06:05 PM
If there were problems, why would it be Daisy I'd get rid of? I mean, she was there first?

(Here's hoping that the Children's Aid doesn't do "pre-emptive strikes"... :D )

meb999
January 13th, 2005, 06:47 PM
I've always thought that 'don't have time for him anymore' meant I don't have time to train him...therefor, he pees, poops and destroys the house...
Alot of people think that the dog across the street is SOOO cute and get one just like him. They don't realise that it took the people across the street months and months of hard work to get the dog to obey like that!
I think people should have to get a licence to be alowed to get a dog!

meb999
January 13th, 2005, 06:59 PM
The other that really gets me is when I see senior dogs up for adoption. How can you put up a dog that's been in your family for 9 or 10 years up for adoption -- especially knowing their chances of getting a home are almost 0%???
It's bad enough to get rid of your young dog, because you're clueless and weren't thinking when you got him...but to get rid of a member of your family who's been around for a decade????
It breaks my heart

Copper'sMom
January 13th, 2005, 09:58 PM
This is so sad! These are usually the people who bought the dog for their kids as a present or their kids want a dog soooo bad that they promise to take care of the animal so the parents don't have to do it! Or it was cute as a pup, and when it got bigger it wasn't cute and fun anymore.

lil_kirk
January 14th, 2005, 07:37 AM
Last night my better half and I went to the SPCA to see a 2 year old dog. He was the sweetest thing--he was dumped apparently because he bit a child in the house. Let me first say that toy dogs don't usually "bite" they nip--because they've been stepped on, their tails have been pulled, or kids have played too rough.

Anyways, when we went in we saw all of the cages lined up with one dog in each pen. There were about 20 large breed dogs and two toy dogs. We were there to see the toy dog because we live in a small apartment. Anyways--it was SOOO sad to see them all standing there looking helpless. Not one single large breed dog barked when we walked in--they simply gave us the saddest "please help me out of here" look I've ever seen.

When they brought the little guy out for us to take for a walk--we thought it would be nice to give him a chance to run around--all of the dogs started to cry--and it was our fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I couldn't sleep at all last night--I was in tears for these homeless dogs. It's just sooooooo sad...they have no one...no love, no hope, nothing. People are so cruel. How can you just dump a member of your family like that? Why not turn the judgement on yourself and say "maybe I didn't train him well enough or my kids" and work on that!

Maybe he didn't nip anyone at all..maybe they just got tired of him not being a puppy... :(

chico2
January 14th, 2005, 08:03 AM
I can honestly say,I would no more"dump"an animal in my care,than I would have any of my kids."No time for"is a selfish cruel excuse,do they really think the dog/cat will have a better life at SPCA :evil:
The"afraid for the baby"thing is just another sorry excuse...they probably just do not love the animal enough,I LOVE my cats with all my heart and short of me dying,they will never be abandonned,even then I have made arrangements for them.
I admire you girls/guys for going in looking at the dogs in a shelter,I visit the HS here about once a month,but only in the office to drop of toys,blankets,towels etc..they always have cages of cats even in the lobby and I always leave with tears streaming down my face :sad: and I'm getting worse as I am getting older.
They have a few cats running around freely,one has been there for nearly two years.

Dukieboy
January 14th, 2005, 08:47 AM
I can't go into the Humane anymore but I check the shelters online daily. It blows me away the number of pitbulls that are just given up. It seems like the THS and TAS get more pitbulls on a D A I L Y basis. With the hatred for the breed(s) that Bryant has cultivated I just don't see these dogs finding forever homes. It's a crime. I would love for Dukie to have a buddy but thats just not possible. I have watched him play with his sister(Alice lives at my daughters house) and they are quite wild. We don't get them together too often because when we took them camping together in the summer it was clear that if they spent too much time together they would form thier own little pack. I have noted a pattern. Most reports of attacks usually involve two dogs. Rarely one. So the lack of attention, training and socialization with other types of dogs coupled with the bond between the dogs can spell trouble.

Schwinn
January 14th, 2005, 09:07 AM
I've decided I need to stop visiting the sites as well. I came in the door last night, and Daisy nearly bowled me over running into me to say "hi". It breaks my heart thinking of those poor guys and thier fate.

We were talking last night about "not having time", and my wife was telling me about her assistant manager who got rid of thier dog when they had a baby. She said that it was "an italian thing to do". She is one of the few "mange cakes", and she hung out with an italian crowd when she lived in Thunder Bay, and she says that she saw this all the time. She knew one couple who lived for thier dog, then got rid of it as soon as they had a baby, like it was no big deal. I find that very wierd.

Dukieboy
January 14th, 2005, 09:11 AM
I don't get it either. All of my animals over the years once adopted, became F A M I L Y.

hddlstn02
January 14th, 2005, 12:22 PM
I don't understand this either. My animals are my babies! I get very upset going to the Humane Soc. or the websites b/c I want to bring them all home w/ me, but know I can't. I'm sure all of the animals in places like this were once someone's babies & now they've just been thrown away like a piece of trash. I know ppl say animals don't have feelings like ppl do, but I can't believe that they don't feel sad when they're in a place like that... You can see it in their eyes. :(

Anyway, like I said earlier, my animals are my babies, but I don't always have time of play w/ them or just sit w/ them, I wish I did, but I just can't quit working to stay home w/ them. All any animal wants is a little recognition. I agree w/ everyone who said "Don't have time for" is just a sorry excuse... It definitly is! But, I believe in karma, so it will come back to them, one day they will be even. :mad:

lezzpezz
January 14th, 2005, 12:49 PM
A co-worker just told me possibly the worst excuse I have ever heard of for planning on getting rid of a dog. Her friend, whom she has know for years to be an avid animal lover, horse owner and trainer, and has supported many animal causes, floored her yesterday by telling her that she has to find a new home for her 6 year old golden retriever . This dog, since puppyhood, as had several acres of land to run around on, barns to snoop around in and other pets of all sorts to play with. The owner has never believed in tying the dog or containing it in any way, and the dog has been living in heaven for all of it's life. Comes and goes as he pleases. The unbelievable reason for wanting to "get rid" of the dog is: "it gets too dirty and I always have to clean it". Now, who do you suppose initiated this behaviour??????? I guess that the dog is no longer considered family? What a shame! My friend is still in total disbelief, as this is not like the woman at all to think like this, let alone act on it. My co-worker has suggested some positive things and even went as far as to suggest another lady whose golden past away in the last year, as an alternate home. :eek:

Carina
January 14th, 2005, 01:45 PM
Actually, I can understand the "don't have time for the dog" rationale. Some dogs just need more than a particular owner can provide - be it special training, huge exercise needs, the owner just made a poor choice, whatever. Sometimes rather than making the dog adapt to a less than optimal life just isn't fair to the dog.

I did re-home a dog that I "didn't have time for." (Donning flame suit, haha.) Actually the deal was....she was an absolutely, utterly, adorable and wonderful French Bulldog. She was an adult (retired show dog from a horrible breeder) when I got her....at the time, I had a very hectic schedule. I was also fostering the occasional dog....and I was single & had a friend renting part of my house; so although I was sometimes gone 10-12 hours a day, my friend was home much of the time so the dogs & cats were rarely alone. I would get up at 5am just to walk the dogs in the adjacent fields, (they also had a huge fenced yard & could come in & out of the house at will.) PLUS I had a stand-by pet sitter who would come by on very short notice to give the dogs some extra attention and loving in the middle of the day. Whenever possible, the dogs would come with me, even just on car rides to the grocery store. Oh, PLUS I did drop in obedience training with them.

I'm just writing all this to point out that I was hardly neglecting the dogs! I went to great trouble to make sure they had tons of interaction and adventures. However, Maggie was very unhappy and anxious if she did not have a regular schedule she could rely on. She also became ridiculously attached to me, and even with other people around all day, would go poop in corners of the house, would pace, etc.

I decided that yes, I could work on her seperation anxiety, I could work on finding a way to get her to adapt. But I loved her so much, I thought what was best for HER was to be in as perfect a home as possible.

However, I did not dump her at the pound or stick a free ad in the paper!!

I went through French Bulldog rescue. I found her a perfect, perfect home 500 miles away....this took a couple of months of communication, reference checking, etc. She went to a young/retired childless couple who baby-sat their neighbor's Frenchie 5 days a week while they were at work. They really, really wanted their own. So we drove & met half way.....Maggie became the absolute pampered princess she deserved to be. I got pictures, cards, and emails about her for years...she became the center of this couple's life, and she got to boss around a boy Frenchie 5 days a week! :)

My animals are part of my family, but they are not my "babies" or "children." If I had one that wasn't able to adjust easily, yes I would let that pet go to someone who would give it a better life, for the animal's sake. But I wouldn't do it without everything short of FBI checks and absolute certainty that it was the right situation, not just casually handing a family member over to someone who said "oh yeah, I'll take her."

lezzerpezzer - that's awful about that Golden. :(

Writing4Fun
January 14th, 2005, 02:39 PM
She said that it was "an italian thing to do".
Ahem... (clears throat, takes a sip of cappucino and has a biscotti to calm her ruffled feathers)

Actually, I do know what you mean. It's very "old school". Not strictly Italian, but old school European at least. It stems from the mentality that animals are just that - animals. They are livestock, to be used while they're there and then disposed of when they are no longer needed or the situation warrants. Hopefully, this mentality will dissipate through the generations (I know my kids won't harbour it!).

Don't even get me started on the whole "cleanliness" thing! :rolleyes:

PS. My all-time favorite excuse was "Gee, we didn't know that the Lab/Great Dane cross we bought from the pet store was going to get so big, now he doesn't fit in our bachelor appartment!" :evil:

Carina
January 14th, 2005, 03:05 PM
One that REALLY ticks me off:
"Moving, landlord won't let me keep...."
Arghh!

Don't some people THINK?

Schwinn
January 14th, 2005, 03:13 PM
Ahem... (clears throat, takes a sip of cappucino and has a biscotti to calm her ruffled feathers)

Actually, I do know what you mean. It's very "old school". Not strictly Italian, but old school European at least. It stems from the mentality that animals are just that - animals. They are livestock, to be used while they're there and then disposed of when they are no longer needed or the situation warrants. Hopefully, this mentality will dissipate through the generations (I know my kids won't harbour it!).

Don't even get me started on the whole "cleanliness" thing! :rolleyes:

PS. My all-time favorite excuse was "Gee, we didn't know that the Lab/Great Dane cross we bought from the pet store was going to get so big, now he doesn't fit in our bachelor appartment!" :evil:

Ooops...(pulls out dark green suit he wore to Italian wedding where someone thought he was mafia)

Sorry! I didn't mean that to be disparaging. After dating an Italian for a year, and after my wife being "surrounded" by Italian's in Newmarket, it did seem an interesting that there seemed to be a prevailing attitude. My buddy at work is Italian, and we were talking about "Italian ideals". It was kind of comical, actually. Being a mangia checha, I find these things amusing ;)

CyberKitten
January 14th, 2005, 03:44 PM
"Don't have time" really is just a euphemism - catch all phrase for we don't want the dog/cat any more and do not want to put the time, energy and other resources into training him or her. It means they did not think when they adopted or purchased the dog - an impulse thing which seems unfortunately something we often see in our society, sigh!!!

Writing4Fun
January 14th, 2005, 05:02 PM
Sorry! I didn't mean that to be disparaging.
Don't worry, it wasn't. :) Believe me, I grew up with the plastic-covered sofas and sausages hanging from the playroom ceiling. :yuck: Whenever we get together with our "mangia cake" friends, my sister and I tell stories from our childhood - we've perfected it almost to the point of a stand-up routine.

Back to the topic at hand: why do they immediately give up the dog when the kids come around? Because it's what Mom is telling them to do. You see, Mom doesn't know anything other than what she sees on TV and what her well-meaning relatives have told her. So if Zia Mary tells her that a dog attacked her friend's cousin's sister-in-law's friend's baby, then all dogs are evil and need to leave the premises before the baby comes along. That, and the fact that dogs are mangy, dirty, butt-licking creatures who drag all sorts of filth and germs into the house, which everyone knows spells certain disaster for the baby. :rolleyes: (personally, I think a certain amount of filth and germs is good for kids, but that's just me ;) ) Does this make them evil people? No, it's just that it's all they know (or don't know, as the case may be). :( That's why I'm hoping the next generations will have these tendancies bred out of them!

Schwinn
January 14th, 2005, 05:09 PM
That's why I'm hoping the next generations will have these tendancies bred out of them!

Yea, it's too bad we weren't as discerning as we are about breeding dogs!

CyberKitten
January 14th, 2005, 05:19 PM
Re: personally, I think a certain amount of filth and germs is good for kids, but that's just me

There is actually something scientific to that. Mind you, I am biased since my grandmother - the one who managed a feral colony years before TNR became an anacronym - always said that "a little dirt never hurt anyone."

Most studies show that children who spend time with a lot of other children - ie at daycare, in the playground and so on - you know what I mean :) - may well end up with more colds and other so called childhood dieases BUT they tend to have better immune systems throughout their life time. By being in contact with "dirt" so to speak, their systems adjust to it and so they are better able to fight those things that sneak in that should not be there, like a flu virus for example.

Personally, I think the same is true for animals - provided they have good health care, are vaccinated and are well care for of course!! The cat who lives in a sterile environment would have a tough time surviving anywhere else.

glasslass
January 14th, 2005, 06:25 PM
If my dog is dirty, it would be because I was too lazy to groom him. Give me a break! After Den-Den2 died, my mother-in-law told me we should travel now that we weren't tied down anymore. How's that for sympathy! I answered back that we planned to get "tied down" again as soon as possible. I think she realized she had hit a nerve and I was willing to debate the issue with her :evil: because she dropped it right now. Normally, I would have just ignored the unfeeling comment, but not on that topic!

glasslass
January 14th, 2005, 06:26 PM
Not to mention the mental health benefits of a pet in the home!

carey
January 14th, 2005, 06:59 PM
The deeper question is: are SPCA's and shelters part of the problem or part of the solution? If it was not so easy to "dump" people's pets, then these same people would have to think twice about getting rid of them - part of responsible pet ownership is taking responsibility for your pet and if a situation changes to absolutely prevent them keeping the animal, then the onus should be on them, as the pet's guardian, to find a new home - dumping at a shelter should be the LAST resort only.

Writing4Fun
January 14th, 2005, 07:07 PM
Someone else once suggested that it should be more difficult to "dump" your pets at the shelter. My response to them was that would only encourage/force people to dump them in the woods/farm fields or "take care of" matters themselves. :(

carey
January 14th, 2005, 07:34 PM
Some people might think that, but there is some evidence to show otherwise (although, I cannot remember where I read it). If pet owners have provided relatively good homes to their pet, but must give them up, a very small minority would actually "kill" or "dump" their animals - more likely, they would post ads, ask family, etc. to find a new home. Some shelters accept owned animals at no cost which makes it way too easy to give them up. Also, if someone buys on impulse without understanding they are taking on responsibility for life, their animals often end up at shelters with the usual excuses. And so the cycle continues. Humane education must include the message that animals should not be treated as a commodity, to be bought, sold, dumped or disposed of wheneven a person feels like it.

twinmommy
January 14th, 2005, 07:34 PM
"Don't have time" really is just a euphemism - catch all phrase for we don't want the dog/cat any more and do not want to put the time, energy and other resources into training him or her. It means they did not think when they adopted or purchased the dog - an impulse thing which seems unfortunately something we often see in our society, sigh!!!

So true Cyberkitten!! And the sad thing is, aside from certain very energetic breeds, they really don't require all tht much time, they are just unconditionally happy and content to be with us. They are more willling to adapt than people give credit. I've moved 3 times in 5 years including a short stint out west(ern Canada) and my brood adapted well everytime. Sure there were periods of adjustment, but you don't give someone away because of it.

but that's just my opinion, I would also tell people "NEVER SAY NEVER" and "don't judge!!" because while your priorities may be written in stone, your circumstances may not be..........

twinmommy
January 14th, 2005, 07:36 PM
btw, when is your wife due Schwinn? Congrats!!

Writing4Fun
January 14th, 2005, 08:02 PM
Also, if someone buys on impulse without understanding they are taking on responsibility for life, their animals often end up at shelters with the usual excuses.
Agree with you 100% on that one! Where to begin, though? As long as animals are being sold in pet stores, they'll continue to be treated like posessions instead of living, breathing, feeling creatures. Anyone feel like running for office? 'Cause I think we all would have a few laws for you to table if you did! ;)

CyberKitten
January 15th, 2005, 04:08 PM
Re: The deeper question is: are SPCA's and shelters part of the problem or part of the solution?

I am not sure I agree with the premise behind that question. I grew up in an area where there was no animal shelter until just a few years ago. Prior to that, an animal who for whatever reason was unwanted by a family faced a very uncertain future and almost certain death. There was a local teacher who would board animals and try to find homes but for the most part, he charged for the boaring and if financial reasons were the reason, that pet had zero chance of survival. The primary ways of getting rid of a cat for people was to bring the cat to a local farmer and integrate it with the existing barn cats. For a cat who had always lived in a home, clearly that did not have a happy outcome.

We now have the SPCA and so some animals do get a chance. Many still get pts of course but it is an improvement over what was available before.

I concur that education is needed and the attitude of a pet being a commodity must be changed but that won't occur overnight, especially in areas where pets were seen as part of the livestock or worse! So, in the interim, we need to work with what we have and work on improving the circumstances of animals.

Schwinn
January 15th, 2005, 05:51 PM
btw, when is your wife due Schwinn? Congrats!!

June 17, and thanks!

Karin
January 15th, 2005, 06:11 PM
One that REALLY ticks me off:
"Moving, landlord won't let me keep...."
Arghh!

Don't some people THINK?

Exactly! When I worked in the Humane Society shelters and with animal control, this was the number one reason for giving up a pet. "We're moving". Give me a break! Animals move too!

And for all that said you have given up on visiting shelters because it breaks your heart....PLEASE do not do this...these animals need your visit, if you have time, and I would plan extra time per visit, take a dog for a walk, take a cat to a play area and load them up with attention. Shelters are under staffed. Rarely do the workers have time for cuddling and play with all of their charges. Usually, there are not enough hours in the day to do the job at hand much less to lavish love on each & every animal there....no wonder they all look so sad. You can be a big help with 30 minutes each visit.
Do noy play ostrich with your head in the sand, the sad faces will not go away. The more satisfied, tired out from play, loved on and cuddled the better to be adopted. A forlorn, sad pet will be the last to be adopted, plus this breaks my heart. It's tough, but time is a very welcome donation...for the strong at heart.

meb999
January 18th, 2005, 10:42 AM
Exactly! When I worked in the Humane Society shelters and with animal control, this was the number one reason for giving up a pet. "We're moving". Give me a break! Animals move too! .
Is it just me, or when you're looking for a new appartement , you should find one that allows dogs or cats? when parents move into an appartement that won't allow kids, do they just give them up?? I understand that human kids are more important than pets...but pets are just as much a part of your family as your kids and should be treated as such! That was my rant for the day!!

SunnysMum
January 18th, 2005, 11:02 AM
And for all that said you have given up on visiting shelters because it breaks your heart....PLEASE do not do this...these animals need your visit, if you have time, and I would plan extra time per visit, take a dog for a walk, take a cat to a play area and load them up with attention. Shelters are under staffed. Rarely do the workers have time for cuddling and play with all of their charges. Usually, there are not enough hours in the day to do the job at hand much less to lavish love on each & every animal there....no wonder they all look so sad. You can be a big help with 30 minutes each visit.
I agree! My daughter LOVES to visit the cats at the humane society. The folks at our local HS are so nice to her and just let her play and cuddle away with the cats that like kids. I used to think that I was driving the HS volunteers crazy bring her there for an afternoon and watching her cuddling and cooing over the cats (her favorite PA day activity....); but the cats seem to like it and the volunteers don't seem to mind it at all. Maybe when she gets older, she'll become a volunteer! :) Which reminds me...we haven't been there for a while -- I think we're due!

But it is hard -- you just want to take them all home! But we don't (we're new at this and our Sunny Boy is enough for now -- maybe sometime in the future....)

MIA
January 18th, 2005, 06:44 PM
I wish my dogs would dump me so I would have some time for myself! LOL :crazy:

carey
January 18th, 2005, 09:08 PM
We now have the SPCA and so some animals do get a chance. Many still get pts of course

So, the people who care about animals (those who work at SPCA's) are the ones who end up killing them (unless it is a "no-kill" shelter) even though these organizations supposedly exist to "protect" them. Sure doesn't make any sense to me.... And I do realize the debate around this, but until such time as there are enough homes to go around, putting unwanted animals to sleep (killing them) is still not my idea of protection. :sad:

happycats
January 18th, 2005, 09:23 PM
Carey I posted this earlier, but I thought It explains why there is euthanasia, and I am sure that most workers in the shelter dread this job, feel horrible, and cry alot, and hate it, as well as hating the bad owners who dumped their pet there.
No more lonely cold nights, or hearing that I'm bad
No more growling belly from meals I never had
No more scorching sunshine with a water bowl thats dry
No more complaining neighbors about the noise when I cry.
No more hearing "shut up" "Get down" or "get out of here"
No more feeling disliked Only peace is in th air
Euthanasia is my blessing, though some still can't see
Why I was born - if I were never meant to be
My last day of living was the best I ever had
someone *held* me very close, I could see she was sad
I kissed this ladies face, and she hugged me as she cried
I wagged my tail to thank her,
then closed my eyes and died.
__________________

happycats
January 18th, 2005, 09:31 PM
:sorry: if you feel I am being to hard on you Carey, but you aslo mentioned, that if there were no shelters people would keep thier pets. I beg to differ.
I lived in the country, and unwanted pets were either drowned, shot, poisoned, or driven far away and dumped!!! as there were no shelters where we lived. I have seen dogs running up and down our road for hours whimpering and terrified, till thier feet bled! as this is where thier owner decided to dump them!!! I have also released them from a trappers leg hold trap, ,I aslo found one that was shot in the side and still alive!
So I believe in shelters, we need them. euthanasia is far more humane then some of the suffering I have seen.

MIA
January 18th, 2005, 09:42 PM
I beleive in shelters as well but they need to educate and not make dumping so easy for people. Humans should be held accountable to a degree. There is a gal that works at a local shelter here that actually says thank you to people dumping thier dog!!! When I worked at a shelter and someone was dumping I made them take thier dog to the kennels and watch what the dog goes though entering such a stressful environment. Now I understand there are people who probably have no choice BUT there are people who don't care and need to know that shelters aren't all happy lovely places. While shelters do thier best (we hope) dogs aren't happy in there.

I also feel that people SHOULD have to pay a fee to dump and be informed that if the dog isn't safe to adopt (or whatever) that it will be killed, if it were up to me I would call them and have them come back to hold the dog down! I am evil. I bet if most people had to see what the animals go through they would re-think things a little bit.

IMO

carey
January 18th, 2005, 09:46 PM
That is a beautiful poem, and so sad, but I know it is reality. Unfortunately, the word "euthanasia" is most often used to soften what is really happening. Perfectly healthy animals are "killed" (often in the gas chamber) in shelters across North America and elsewhere, not to relieve their "suffering" but because they are taking up space and money. The root of the problem is irresponsible breeding and irresponsible owners - and we must all do what we can to try to educate and advocate so some day this situation will end.
(Sorry if I am rambling, but I am quite passionate about this, as I know most posters to this forum are)

happycats
January 18th, 2005, 09:50 PM
MIA I agree,
People should to go to classes on what owning a pet entails, before they are alowed to own one, But with all these Free to good home ads, and breeders willing to sell to anyone, as wel as pet stores who will actually finance a puppy,this will unfortunately continue.
You are right, I wish everyone who dumps thier pet, should have to watch it die. (but you know what? I honestly believe it wouldn't even bother some people) :sad: .
I like to believe that every owner who abuses, dumps, or mistreats thier pet, has to come back in thier next life, and be that pet!!!! :evil:

happycats
January 18th, 2005, 09:55 PM
Carey, I agree with you, shelters are not the solution.
If the government used the money it spends to catch house and kill these unwanted pets, instead offer free spay/nueter to all . and make a law that all pets be have to be altered or the owner is fined, I believe this would make a big difference!!

carey
January 18th, 2005, 10:25 PM
You make a good point, HappyCats. By-laws should be enacted in every municipality to encourage sterilization which would then cut down on pound costs thus saving them money. But so many communities (especially in Quebec) are short-sighted. Ottawa has adopted new animal regulations based on the NCAC (National Companion Animal Coalition) recommendations for enlightened animal control which encourages responsible pet ownership through differential licencing. I think this is an excellent tool (free licence if your animal is sterilized and microchipped) and it is win-win situation. :)

MIA
January 19th, 2005, 01:02 AM
It's horrible out there and something needs to be done especially with BYB's, pet stores and mills. I read somewhere that BYB's and casual breeders are the main cause of pet over population! Sad.... I don't know why people feel the need to breed their animal when shelters are full. I have nothing against ethical, reputable breeding but I do with idiots who breed just dogs. Especially with the moronic designer dogs I've been seeing here in BC. It's SO frustrating.

I also would love to see bad owners held responsible for their pets, we have lost a little boy here a little while ago and just two nights ago a couple was attacked by two mastiffs, the owners MAY get a tiny fine whereas I want them to PAY through the nose and the money should go to the local shelter, of course the people attacked can sue as well BUT cities need to stand up to stupid owners.

Last year, almost every night when I went walking I came home with a dog! Morons in my neighborhood just let their dogs out! I live in a good area too!!! I watched a woman open her front door to let her dog out for his evening run?! NUTS! I started taking the dogs to the SPCA so they got a little fine but really what's $50.00? Big deal. The licensing fees should be FREE for a fixed pet and high for an unfixed. There are so many ways to go about it but in the end something needs to be done, not breed bans, owner bans.

I do pray there is a special hell for those that treated their animals like crap. :evil:

Schwinn
January 19th, 2005, 06:56 AM
I don't think charging high fees to drop off a pet is the solution. If anything, while it will discourage some, I think the majority will still get rid of them some other way. I would rather see them go to a shelter with a chance for a new life than be dropped off in the country, or sent to the river with a bag of rocks. Heck, even being PTS is better than being in a home where they are neglected. I think it is awful for a healthy pet to be put down (this is why I don't go into the shelters just to "look around". That's how we got Daisy, and last time we did that, we almost wound up with two more puppies. We'd be some kind of a petting zoo in no time!) I don't think they need to make it tougher to drop off a pet, I think they need to make it tougher to get one. What scares you more? Someone thinking twice about bringing a dog home, or thinking twice about leaving him at a shelter? By the time they are thinking of the shelter, they've already decided to get rid of the dog, now they are trying to decide how.

Katherine1
January 19th, 2005, 07:57 AM
I watched a woman open her front door to let her dog out for his evening run?! NUTS! :evil:

This make me so mad :mad: . What if they get hurt, eat something they shouldn't (you would never know till it was to late)? I made a 35 foot lead (NO! not to tie my furbaby) so that on really cold mornings when Molly decides that she has to go out right away ( because sometimes she acts like she can't wait till I get dressed), I stand just outside the back door so that she has enough lead to do her business. We live out in the country on 2 acres so we have space that I guess we could let Molly go out on her own but to me this is not conceivable as I take the off lead time as her and my outside playtime for playing fetch and such. I don't understand people that will not take the time for their pets.

My Sadie (who passed away last month and very much loved) was a smaller dog than my Molly is, Sadie was about 20 lbs. LOL and my Molly is about triple that size and weight 50-60 lbs. The family that I got Molly from got her from someone they knew ( they had agreed to take her and keep her or try and find a good home for her is what I understand) that was moving into the city that could not take her. She was tied outside most of time ( I was told that she was allowed in when it was really cold at night. The couple of times that I had been there she was tied out) but how easy is it to forget that they are out there if you are in your warm house? I did think about it a long time before agreeing to take her, knowing that she was a much bigger dog than we had and all. To me, it was the best decision that I have ever made! She evidently had had some good training by the original owner, because she was house broke after the first day and she responds well to sit, down and off. I am training her now on stay and drop for when we play fetch which she loves to do. She is now an indoor dog and will be forever. I have kids and would never consider tying them outside for ANY length of time so why would anyone do that to their pet?

We have only had Molly for 2 weeks today! Yes she is more work, yes she requires more attention, yes LOL she requires a lot more walking and she thinks she is a lap dog but she is the absolute best furbaby. I never ever think of her as to much work or for that matter any part of our interaction as a chore. She is just like one of the kids. At this moment she is laying beside my chair.

Sorry LOL I get so carried away when it comes to cruelty to animals. Also after reading some of these posts I am strongly thinking of volunteering, even if it is only for a half hour or so to local shelters to provide some cuddle time to the pets that are awaiting adoption. It would have to be small amounts of time as I don't like leaving Molly very long (she might get lonely).

Karin
January 19th, 2005, 05:16 PM
If only we all lived in a perfect world.

The shelter near Orlando, Fla where I use to work housed 300+ dogs, (some in foster homes), 500+ cat's, (also some in foster homes) too many to count birds,hamsters, rabbit's etc., 10 horses, 11 goats, 6 pigs, 1 Jacob ram (blind) and many chickens, ducks & geese. 4 ferret's. (I may have left out a few species) All this was at a makeshift shelter, awaiting the construction of the new building.
With all this we had only 5 paid employee's, myself included. We relied on volunteers and community services workers, the latter being sent by the courts in lieu of doing jail time. All paid employees had to be certified vet techs. We got by with a skimpy payroll so more money could go for the animals. We were a no kill shelter. I do not agree with this, no kill shelters do not qualify for much funding available and must rely on private donations. No kill shelters spend alot of money keeping animals alive that are suffering and are begging to be pts. This money could be spent on the healthy...notice I used the word "were" a no kill shelter, this shelter went under due to high expense. After euthanizing so many animals in my lifetime I loved the concept of a no kill shelter until I jumped in with both feet. The struggle to stay afloat is painful.
Volunteers are the heart to all these animals....and are much appreciated by the staff!