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anyone ever own a Kuvasz ?

happycats
December 29th, 2004, 05:29 PM
Hi
Just wanted to know if anyone out there has ever owned a Kuvasz. I haave been looking at different breeds, and I just keep coming back to the Kuvasz. I have met 2 before, and just love them.
Has anyone out there ever owned as a pet?

mona_b
December 29th, 2004, 05:37 PM
I don't own one.But my sisters neighbour has one.Along with 2 Great Pyranese.They are a very loyal,loving,protective breed.They are easy to train.They do need alot of outdoor exercise though.You don't really see to many around.

BMDLuver
December 29th, 2004, 05:42 PM
We have a family who recently adopted a german shepherd from us. They owned a Kuvasz for 15 years prior to her. He was the only dog they ever had problems with. He was extremely strong and did not socialize well with other dogs or strangers. He was very beautiful but they were not sure that it was the right choice of dog for city living. Apparently they are not very common and require a good deal of training and socialisation to ensure that they remain managable. I would suggest a great deal of research as well as contacting breeders and those who have purchased from breeders prior to considering this specific breed. The family that adopted from us are excellent at training dogs and have done a fabulous job with the one they adopted from us, so it was definitely not a lack of experience that led to the problems. Also, your signon is happycats... I don't think they are known to do well with cats either. Just some food for thought. Maybe others here have owned one too.

happycats
December 29th, 2004, 05:45 PM
Thanks Mona b :)
You are right there arn't many around, but I am looking to rescue one. and they aare really hard to find.

happycats
December 29th, 2004, 05:53 PM
Yes I have cats. and also have a 4 year old son, ,so I have to be very careful when choosing a dog, as I want everyone to get along.
while researching this breed it seems a kuvasz will treat the cats like it would treat a flock (It is part of the flock guardian breed) and love and guard them.
I also love german shepherds, But I have been told that they have many health issues due to all the inbreeding in the past. :sad:

BMDLuver
December 29th, 2004, 06:03 PM
http://hbalaw.com/KFA/present.htm

Lucky Rescue
December 29th, 2004, 06:20 PM
The Kuvasz is a large, protective and rather primitive guarding breed, similiar to the Akbash dog.

Personally, if I were looking for a housepet I would look elsewhere. But if you need a guardian for a flock, this is a good choice.

happycats
December 29th, 2004, 06:30 PM
Thanks BMDLuver, great website.
I understand this breed is probably as easy to train as a cat !!! I have lots of experience with that !!!!

mona_b
December 29th, 2004, 06:44 PM
Well there are a few recues in the states.Haven't come across one here.And there are very few of these breeds in Ont.And I only know of 3 breeders here in Ont.Your best bet is to talk to a breeder about this breed.

My sisters neighbour has never had a problem with theirs at all.Well trained,well behaved.And yes,they are great with cats.Being on a farm,there are quite a few cats.And he is great with the kids.

Have you thought about rescuing a Greyhound?They are very sweet animals.And they are couch potatos.LOL..A friend of mine rescued on.And there is a couple with 2 childern in my area who have also rescued 2 of them.

Just a thought. :)

Yes,GSD's do have health issues.But that can be with any breed.The only health issues I've had with my GSD's is Arthritis.

happycats
December 29th, 2004, 06:54 PM
My mind is not completely made up yet.
I will probably end up rescuing a good mutt :thumbs up .
I had a border collie sheepdog cross growing up. the best dog I have ever met, loving, obedient, protective..............
My husband loves Black labs, who knows maybe we will get a Kuvasz Black Lab cross :rolleyes: .

mona_b
December 29th, 2004, 06:55 PM
, who knows maybe we will get a Kuvasz Black Lab cross :rolleyes: .


LOL...If you can find one.

Carina
December 29th, 2004, 06:57 PM
Pretty much everything written on that site would apply to a properly bred Rottweiler too. :)
I have not owned a Kuvasz, but I spent formative years growing up in Turkey around Anatolians. Like many breeds, you had better be an intelligent, commited owner with these dogs....some breeds require more responsibility than others, and I'd guess a Kuvasz is one of those breeds! If you have cats, and the possibility of various children coming in & out of your house, guardian breeds will be a challenging choice.

What is it you particularly like about this particular breed? Just curious - I don't disagree with you, I am drawn to the strong-minded independent type dogs. But they DO carry quite a bit more work & responsibility than, say, a Golden. And for good reason. :) I've put a lot more "work" into 18 years of Rottweiler ownership than people who've spent 18 years with Goldens or Greyhounds etc ,have.

happycats
December 29th, 2004, 07:06 PM
I am drawn to it because its independent, loyal, and challenging as well as its beauty, I like the fact that it dose not require constant attention.
I have cats as well as a son who is as stuborn as a mule, so I am quite familiar with challenge!!!

Carina
December 29th, 2004, 07:13 PM
I am drawn to it because its independent, loyal, and challenging as well as its beauty, I like the fact that it dose not require constant attention.


I'd like to find a man like that! :D
If you're going through rescue, I'd imagine they are a rare enough breed that a rescue will be picly and concerned that you would have a good fit with available dogs.
You are right, they are really nice! I've seriously considered Anatolians, in the past. There's just so many needy, deserving Rottweilers out there though...and so little time....
Have you networked with people who responsibly breed/work them? That can be a very good avenue for finding a good dog, too. People who work & show their dogs seriously are often hooked into the rescue community for that breed.

happycats
December 29th, 2004, 07:24 PM
I also love Anatolians, ,but I believe they are even more independant then the Kuvasz. I am just looking a researching right now, We probably won't get one until summer. I want to make sure I get the best fit possible for our family, As I also have a senior cat who would not appreciate being chased by a dog :eek: . I basically love all dogs, so I won't rule any out at this time.
another reason for the Kuvasz is because it is not as common, so not as many bad breeders, back yard breeders, or inbreeders out there breeding and selling this breed.

Carina
December 29th, 2004, 07:55 PM
another reason for the Kuvasz is because it is not as common, so not as many bad breeders, back yard breeders, or inbreeders out there breeding and selling this breed.

Well - in "my" breed there are about 80 gazillion backyard breeders, better believe it. :( But I wouldn't use that as a criterion for choosing a breed. It is not at all difficult to find people who are truly breeding for the love & betterment of the breed.

A friend of mine recently got a second Rottweiler from someone who is probably one of the more ethical Rottie people in the US. She had a two year old female (limited reg) and told the breeder she was looking for a rescue girl to be a buddy for her existing dog. The breeder (who only produces a litter every 2-3 years from her lines) had just taken back a show-prospect puppy whose bite wasn't "correct" - all my friend had to do was pay to spay :) and she got a beautiful sweet Rottweiler whose teeth were like 1/32 of an inch out of line. My friend got this lovely dog because the breeder knew her, and knew she would give her a wonderful home, mind you.

Honestly, I think you probably need to go meet some Kuvasz people - in rescue, breed, whatever. If you are truly set on this particular breed. Neither cats nor 4 year olds come with the particular challenges (and big teeth) that some dogs do! :)
And you know, there are thousands of mixed breed dogs sitting in shelters who are independent, loyal, and challenging....and chances are a Kuvasz you find won't be all these things. Very few Rottweilers conform to the breed standard either. ;)

Lucky Rescue
December 29th, 2004, 08:36 PM
The thing with the Kuvasz or Akbash dogs is that they have been bred to work without any human guidance at all - they stay alone and care for the flocks, using their own judgement and making their own decisions.

This is great on remote hillside in defense of flocks, but not so great in an urban setting, where the dogs will decide on their own who is an enemy/threat and who is not.

IMO, these are not pets for the city or suburbs. These are serious working/guarding dogs who must have a job to do, and lack of one can cause serious aggression problems.

If you want an independant but friendly dog, you may be better off with a husky or hound breed.:)

happycats
December 29th, 2004, 08:41 PM
I will thimk long and hard (I have 6 months or so ) to decide. When I take a pet its for life, I have never given away any pet I have taken in. That's why I am taking my time making this decision.
I have fostered a Keeshond, and pet sat a beautiful Goldie, both beautiful breeds.
I have a big decision to make, as it will be a life long responsibility, now seems like a good time in our life to get a dog as there is someone home all day (I work days, my husband works nights). Thats the reason why we have not had one in the past, as we did not want to leave it alone all day nor did we feel it was fair to be in a crate all day.
I appreciate all the advise, Thanks :)

mona_b
December 31st, 2004, 08:13 AM
Here is a great link for you to look at.Very informative.Tells you everything you need to know about this breed.From showing,to working,to being the family companion. :)

http://www.kuvaszclubofcanada.org/main.htm

Lea
February 10th, 2005, 01:30 PM
Happycats,

I am brand new here and was looking through the boards and there you were : ) I have a Kuvasz, and she is a wonderful dog. We aquired Baby from the local humane society probably about 8 years ago. I had never heard of them before, but the logo said she was a "gentle giant". She had been used as a breeder for an illegal puppy mill, and when she turned about 5, the owner just dumped her off. Her teeth were broken, and they had to cut a harness off of her. That's where we came in.

We had, at that time, a cat and a Yellow Lab/Golden Retriever mix. She was guarded at first, but quickly warmed up. She is much more independent than the lab mix, but she has never been aggressive. She is loving, and always gives the other animals baths : ) We view her as the mother hen. She house trained immediately. Very bright. She is a little hard headed, but I like that. My lab mix is a mommas boy, and is my shadow. He eats with me and sleeps with me, even goes to the bathroom with me. Baby comes near and participates in what's going on as she pleases.

We have now added Ivan, who we believe is a Fila Brasileiro. She bathes him as well, and welcomed him into our home. Her hips are getting weak as she is aging, and she's not quite as active. But, she's a beautiful creature,with those huge eyes. Baby is a wonderful dog!

happycats
February 10th, 2005, 02:31 PM
Thank you so much Lea,
I was looking for a rescue Kuvasz as well.

I like the fact that they are independent, and do not require constant attention, having 5 cats and a 4yr old son and working full time does not give me alot of time to give constant attention.

Tell me, how do resist those beautiful eyes ??

It is so nice hearing from someone who has actually had one, and you are an :angel: for changing her life around, and giving her a loving home.
She must have had a horrible life before meeting you!

lma1524
February 10th, 2005, 03:44 PM
Hi
Just wanted to know if anyone out there has ever owned a Kuvasz. I haave been looking at different breeds, and I just keep coming back to the Kuvasz. I have met 2 before, and just love them.
Has anyone out there ever owned as a pet?

My brother in law bought one from a reputable breeder several years ago. He had 10 acres to run and play in and was taken to behaviour classes. He never calmed down and become more and more aggresive with the owner and resulted in biting his wife in the face. The breeder would not take the dog back as it had been neutered in an effort to calm it down. He had to be euthanized.

These dogs are bred for one purpose, to keep wolves and coyotes at bay. In their original habitat they are put in with the sheep when they are puppies, they have very little human contact after that, living wild with the sheep or other animals in their care.

They need to be working, training never stops, they need to live outdoors as they are meant for extremer climates outside. Indoors they require constant coat care, brushing to remove dead hair which becomes a problem when they are kept indoors in a heated environment.

Similar breeds Akbash, Tyrolean, Pyranese have the same sort of temperament.

If you want it as a guard dog, you could not do better but be prepared to make sure it is tied when you have strangers over.

Lea
February 10th, 2005, 03:57 PM
I have only been here for a few days, but have noticed, the main theme seems to be you can't judge a dog by it's breed! I guess they are as individual as we are, having good and bad and in between. I have briefly read the issue going on with Pitt Bulls in Canada, with my own personal opinion about them. I was bitten by the only PB I ever met! But, I do know people that love them dearly and say they are gentle creatures.

I would suggest if you find a Kuvasz that needs adoption, that you spend time with them, and get to know them before bringing one home with your children. If the examples of the extremes are my Baby and the one mentioned by Ima, please be careful! I had never heard of them being that aggressive before. Good luck!

mastifflover
February 10th, 2005, 04:27 PM
I have heard of some aggression towards strangers but I agree each dog is individual. I would contact breeders and speak to them a reputable breeder will give the honest truth about the temperment and will tell you if you would be a suitable owner. They are not going to sell anyone a dog that is not a suitable match they stake the dogs life and their rep on the line and it is there livelihood. Speak to a few I think this would be the best way to find out more.

Lizzie
February 10th, 2005, 05:58 PM
It's very hard to compare these dogs--especially when you hear of one gentle giant who was formerly in a terrible breeding situation and another we know no history of.

The bottom line is that each of these dogs have their own history of whatever--love, abuse, heartache, starvation, etc. WIth different histories and different genes you will get a different type of dog.

mona_b
February 10th, 2005, 07:49 PM
The breeder would not take the dog back as it had been neutered in an effort to calm it down.

I find this a bit strange.I know many reputable breeders of many breeds,and not one would ever not take one of their dogs back because it was spayed or neutered.

My sisters neighbour has one,along with 2 Great Pyrenese.These dogs are amazing with everyone.And all the kids also.They are very loyal and loveable.No aggression has ever been shown towards anyone.Every breed is different.And it does have alot to do as to how the breed is raised.You hear that with Huskies they should never be off leash.My sister has 3 and have never been tied up.And they are on a farm.They never leave the property when they are out.These are very well trained dogs.

Lea
March 9th, 2005, 05:15 PM
Hi guys. I just wanted you to know that Baby died somtime during the night. She had not been feeling well for the past few days, she had arthritis, and we've had some rain and cool weather, so nothing I was overly concerned about. But, when I woke up this morning I found that she had passed. Hopefully it was peaceful for her, and she didn't suffer. She was about 13 or 14 years old. I miss her so much already. She was such a sweet and gentle spirit. Happycats, if you can find a dog half has beautiful as Baby consider yourself lucky : )

mesaana
March 9th, 2005, 05:27 PM
I am so sorry to hear that...

Lyne

happycats
March 9th, 2005, 06:28 PM
Lea, I am sorry to hear about Baby.
My thought are with you. Baby is in a better place now, feeling no pain.

BMDLuver
March 9th, 2005, 06:40 PM
awwww Lea, I'm so very sorry. That must have been a very difficult discovery. My heart goes out to all of you......

Maybe that is why the fila was swept into your life.

Prin
March 10th, 2005, 10:37 PM
There is one that comes to our dog park and he keeps to himself unless you lean over the fence from the outside. He jumps up and barks in your face. He doesn't play with any dogs but if one bugs him enough, he'll flatten the dog under his body with a big "Rowf". He's pretty aloof unless a dog goes near his owner then he comes over and flattens the dog. He has never hurt anybody but a lot of people in the park are afraid of him and over react when their dog gets flattened.

I like him because he is a challenge. He's like a cat. He knows his name and that's about it. He just goes about his business. My little girl goes to see him and comes back with a bunch of white hair and he tolerates her very well. He has never snapped at her or anything and she keeps testing him because she just doesn't understand why he's so big and so white and doesn't want to play.

That's about all I've got on the Kuvasz...