Toddler killed by dogs:

I only caught the last little bit on Global this morning, but I think a child was left alone with 3 Rotweillers and a Border-Collie in Vancouver and they found the poor child dead.

You just know that the media is gonna turn this into a Rottys are evil thing, instead of DON'T LEAVE KIDS ALONE WITH DOGS! Espescially STRANGE dogs.

Here is a link from Canada.com:
http://www.canada.com/vancouver/story.html?id=5cdd0b83-7810-43e8-9559-7db926f721ea

What an awful price this child had to pay for parental negligence. I can't imagine what this has done to the family. Appears the dogs will pay the price as well. :(

Ironically, this is being used by proponents of the BSL for pitbulls (take a look on the Canada.com message board). Seems to me this is a good arguement against it.

It seems to me to be a good example of why BSL wouldnt work this legislation would not have covered this situation at all. Where the heck were the parents? I will reserve judgement till I here the facts sorry. But then what have facts got to do with reporting anymore. Also Late last night I saw the ticker go by on cp24 reporting a toddler being attacked by a lab. Anyone else see or here anything?

Here is a link. Apparently the dogs were locked in the basement.
My initial comments weren't a shot at the parents, but a shot at the media.
I have yet to see ONE dog-attack story, where they mention anything about safety for kids around dog.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/12/28/dog-attack041228.html

This is absolutely horrendous.....yet again. The media does an awful job AGAIN reporting the incident. I read both stories on the links provided. I have a question....IF the dogs were locked in the basement, how did they get out?? If they busted through the door, would someone not have heard them?? Or did they reach the knob and turned it with their non-existing opposible thumbs?

Who would leave a toddler unattended for more than 10 seconds?? Canada.com article said the incident happened sometime before noon! Where the hell was everybody(when you have this many dogs and children in a house who could sleep till noon)??? It's unfortunate that the parents lost a child but in my opinion this was a pure case of negligence because it could have been prevented as with most dog attacks on children.

Quote from CBC News article "It's unclear what made the dogs aggressive, but Lori Chortyk of the SPCA said "pack mentality" often plays a role." Absolutely of course it does!! But common, uneducated folk aren't aware of this! This is why we need more education of responsible dog ownership not BSL! :mad: :mad:

I did here that a toddler got attcked by grandmas lab this week also. It was a run by on Pulse24. Haven't heard anything else on it...but what did we expect?

I think I caught the end of that yesterday too. They didn't indicate what kind of dog it was so I assumed it was not a "pitbull" If it was it would be all over the news.

CBC Radio did a story on the impact the proposed legislation is having on the THS and Animal Services early this am. Drop offs are way up and more than half of THS dogs are "pitbull" mixes.

I have to give the cbc article some credit, at least they mention how more education is needed for parents who have large breed dogs and kids and how you have to be careful. Why would you offer to keep 4 large breed dogs in your home with kids? Especially when they are being kept locked in the basement?
The cbc report does say the child was attacked in his sleep? Can anyone tell me if this just sounds ridiculous to me or if any of you question this?
As usual, we will not hear all the details of the story and the dogs and the child will pay with their lives. I cannot imagine the parents NOT hearing the dogs getting out and then LATER finding the child in the home some time later............... who does this???? I am happy to read that there is going to be an inquiry as to whether or not there was any neglegence on the parent`s part................ OMGAWSH DO YA THINK?????


There is also no mention as to whether or not these dogs were all male, or all female or a mix. I know that if there was even a small chance that there was a female in the mix that would have contributed to the problem.

This to me, is another case of people needing to be held as accountable for their actions ( or in this case lack of action) as the dogs are. Pack mentality or not I cannot see the dogs attacking a sleeping helpless child.

There was a case around Orillia a few years ago when I lived there where a little girl was killed. Her dad had a rottweiler and was taking care of a friends lab X. All they kept talking about was the rottweiler. I heard the dog had never bitten anyone before. My theory was that the lab X bit the girl, and the rotti attacked to protect her. They said both dogs teeth marks were found on the girl. I wondered if (sorry for the gruesome image) a tug of war broke out at some point while the rotti was trying to pull the girl away. The father then took off for a few days. Since I haven't heard anything about it since I assume (and sorry for the cynical take) that the rotti wasn't actually to blame.

This makes NO sense. I can not believe there are people out there who believe this **it. Who has ever heard of a dog biting its OWNERS CHILD in its sleep? I understand a dog biting a child if it were bothering him, or invading their space, but to go and attack a sleeping child, BULL.
Then to not find this poor child for quite some time. That should explain it all. These poor dogs will pay with their lives, as this little boy already has. If the parents were not to blame, why are the other children staying with relatives?
This story just doesn't make any sense, and I can't believe the media reports these kind of facts.
This makes me so angry, but shows that its not only "PITBULLS" that bite.

Lets see what the next story says..................... :mad:

With our luck, Saint Bryant will make an announcement that he is tacking on Rottweilers as another banned breed, and declare the problem solved ...

With our luck, Saint Bryant will make an announcement that he is tacking on Rottweilers as another banned breed, and declare the problem solved ...

I think I've heard Bryant talk of adding them to his list before!

I think I've heard Bryant talk of adding them to his list before!

The only bright side to that is, it means more people added to the resolve to stop this bill.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/12/29/800526-sun.html

All I can say is that no breed ban would of stopped this. Implementing the thirty six recommendations of the Coroner's Inquest into the death of Courtney Trempe would of. To see those recommendations read this: http://www.safety-council.org/info/child/Inquest.pdf.

Why the Conservative government didn't do so mystifies me, why the Liberal government that has now opened up discussion on dog safety doesn't sickens me.

I don't know what else to say other than what an awful way to lose a child.

And it wasn't a Collie,it was a Border Collie.I saw the news and they were taking the family Rottie and Border Collie away.This happened Monday and those 2 dogs where put down that night.

Apparently these 2 dogs have never attacked or bit anyone before.

Also,the other day a 3 year old was bit by his grandfathers Black Lab.Apparently the little boy was trying to grab the dogs bone.How sad.This was in the Niagra Region.

A major factor of course is: Two of the dogs lived in the home. The boy's parents were temporarily looking after the other dogs. Dangerous combination.

Know your dog, don't trust them alone with a child, don't trust anyone else's dog at all. I think adults need as much training as children do. I have re-entered my large dog into training. The girlfriend thought he was reasonably enough trained but with all this going on I'm a little paranoid. We will never get to the point of mandatory training but I do want to say no matter how sweet our dogs are we can all benefit from a little extra training, so can our loved ones and especially children. Of the seventeen dog related deaths in the States up to September of this year most were so preventable - such as the death caused when Grandma placed a visiting infant down on the floor - right next to the food dish.

When we travel one dog (the large one) automatically goes to my parents home and they watch him carefully. Of course he thinks he's at some doggy spa. If the nephews aren't visiting the little dog (a pointer) goes there also otherwise he goes to a kennel. The little guy is a rescue and until he becomes a solid dog it's worth the few bucks. He's not a biter but he's eye level with my nephew and will try to steal food if he thinks he can get away with it. Not a combination I would ever want to take a chance with or make my parents responsible for. Honestly ask yourself if leaving your dog with friends or family is appropriate, if you aren't convinced then please board them.

And it wasn't a Collie,it was a Border Collie.


OOPS. I called the dog a Collie in my original post.
:sorry:

I'll edit my original post.
Unlike the media, I do print retractions. ;)

According to tonights news, there have been complaints about the BORDER COLLIE before this incident and the dog was listed with the city as a dangerous dog! The visiting rottweilers had been at the SPCA earlier this year when the owners were being investigated for growing marijuana.

I don't understand something. The boy was killed while the family was sleeping but the 911 call came in at noon? Let me tell you, if I manage to wake up before my 6 year old, I go to his room to check on him. He usually manages to get up before me (except for the days when I have to be to work at 5:30 am.).

I don't know if you saw the coverage on CBC last night, but the opening shot was of a large "Guard dog on duty" sign. It wouldn't surprise me if at least one of the homeowner's dogs were trained to be aggressive( thinking they were teaching it to be a guard dog).

The SUN article says:
" Police and the ministry of children and family development are performing a joint investigation "to determine if there was anything negligent or criminal to blame in this tragic death," a police statement said.

The other three children who were in the house are staying with family while police conduct background checks in conjunction with the ministry to ensure the children's proper placement. "

I gotta think that there is alot to the story that hasn't come out yet.

Just to highlight what kind of people these were, I also heard that there was a sign on their door that said "we don't call 911..." with a picture of a handgun! :mad: Disgusting.

The story didn't paint a pretty picture of the Mother. She had to appear in court and they are considering taking her kids away. They spoke with her half-sisters, and they basically said that she was unfit to care for the children.

They said that the mother claimed that the kid let the dogs out of the basement. All 4 dogs have been PTS.

Tragic all around. Hopefully things work out well for the 3 other kids.

Yup,I just saw that too.

Even the Grandmother was saying she was trying to help her daughter out.And stated that for the rest of her Grandchildren,they would be better of not being with their mother for now.

the dear father is where?

the dear father is where?

I seem to recall them saying "Not around much.."

I got the impression that it was a single mother. That is only my impression, I'm not sure.

The picture gets less pretty with the more news that comes out... I hope the children end up with better lives somehow out of this tragedy. The dogs sure didn't. Such a pity.