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Iggette
December 28th, 2004, 06:33 AM
Well it's Christmas time and my hubby's brother thought we needed a dog. :mad:

As if 2 dogs and 8 cats was not enough.........my bil thought that because Ursa (12 years old) was not going to be with us forever (his reasoning) he thought that my hubby needed a new german shepherd :( his marriage broke up and he is moving in with us so his dog comes as well......yup that makes 4 dogs in my house ......this is crazy but I apparently have no choice in the matter.

My Question.........how can I find out about this woman that breeds these dogs without stepping on everyones toes
My bil says she used to breed dogs for the police just not sure how true it is

Her name is Casey....(the dog) and I will need some help in the near future as I think she also like Ursa is a dominate dog or she just doesn't know how to conduct herself yet I'm thinking she is about 6 months old and has apparently been kept in a cage out side all this time (not very nice :( ) so far my cats are safe but she likes to bite the dogs

chico2
December 28th, 2004, 07:32 AM
Iggette,your household seems to be the kind animal-lovers dream of and wish they could have :thumbs up
I am sure you'll run into some problems,but there are plenty of doggie-owners here to help out..
I LOVE GSD's and poor Casey has probably suffered hell in a cage,I just don't understand what some people are made of :evil:
How's Buddy reacting,as far as I remember he was pretty wild???
and then of course there is little(big!!)Chico,I hope he's still ok :thumbs up

Toonces
December 28th, 2004, 08:39 AM
Hi Iggette,

We are fostering a gsd that was kept in a crate from the time he was 8 weeks old untill we got him about 7 weeks ago he is 2 yrs old and full of beans! We have 2 dogs of our own and 2 cats so we know all about having a full house but we wouldn't change it for anything.

I bet your house is lots of fun for your furbabies!

Good luck with Casey and bless you for taking her out of that situation

Bugsy
December 28th, 2004, 09:05 AM
she is about 6 months old and has apparently been kept in a cage out side all this time (not very nice :( )
Casey seems to have followed the "yellow brick road" to puppy heaven. :D

Princesss04
December 28th, 2004, 09:35 AM
Iggette you are such a wonderful person for keeping this little baby, Look at it this way there is someone else for you to spoil. LOL He is in doggie heaven at your house you are a wonderful mommy and he is one lucky pup. You will do fine! :D We are all here for you! :grouphug:

glasslass
December 28th, 2004, 09:48 AM
Iggy, I'd say your #1 problem right now is getting rid of your irresponsible brother-in-law. Are there any shelters that'll take him? Then you can concentrate on helping this poor innocent fur-baby!

Iggette
December 28th, 2004, 09:59 AM
Oh yes and I forgot to mention....remember my preggy daughter with Deisel her new pup? well,.....she also is trying to expand the family.......she visited Barlees Angels rescue on Christmas eve day and is wanting to adopt a playmate for Deisel a pit bull mix puppy, apparently Deisel had a ball playing there and they are in love with her (the puppy) I will be surprised if the rescue approves considering her situation but we will see.

This new addition of Casey is going to prove interesting now that I have a full time job......I told hubby to get a new steam cleaner as he is now officially on clean up duty......lol 'cause Buddy is fully trained :p and I won't be home to do it.

Chico is hibernating only came out once in the last 3 weeks to eat.....assuming the mice didn't open the container....lol.....in the spring I will have to go on the big walk :rolleyes: and hope he likes his new surroundings and decides to stay *knocks on wood*
I had to clean her ear this morning slight case of mites she did pretty good in letting me touch her all over but *phew* she stinks.....think while I have the time off I will see how she likes the tub :eek:

How do I find out what type of shepherd she is? she is darker than usual and more hairy :confused: I will get a pic as soon as I find my batteries in this huge mess guests are still here from boxing day seems hubby hasn't stopped celebrating the new dog yet.....lol :party:

Iggette
December 28th, 2004, 10:01 AM
lol @ glasslass ...... you mean I can give him away......what a thought....lmao :D

glasslass
December 28th, 2004, 10:06 AM
I was thinking more like "dump him"! :D

Lucky Rescue
December 28th, 2004, 10:34 AM
Iggy, I'd say your #1 problem right now is getting rid of your irresponsible brother-in-law. Are there any shelters that'll take him? Then you can concentrate on helping this poor innocent fur-baby.

That's the best advice I can think of. :p

You are one incredibly patient person!

Iggette
December 28th, 2004, 11:33 AM
Here is Casey

Toonces
December 28th, 2004, 11:46 AM
Casey is stunning!! She is so lucky to have found you :D

Trinitie
December 28th, 2004, 12:23 PM
My Question.........how can I find out about this woman that breeds these dogs without stepping on everyones toes
My bil says she used to breed dogs for the police just not sure how true it is

Finding out if this woman bred dogs for the Police department should be a simple matter of going to ask the PD, as long as you know her name. The dog in your photo looks like he's of German blood. German bloodlines are far darker than North American dogs. The story sounds, at least a little bit, credible. Police prefer to use German dogs to American dogs because the temperment is much more even. If she's a breeder of CKC registered dogs, the pup should have a tattoo in its ear. You could also contact the CKC with that information and ask them if they know the breeders name so you could contact them. They don't have to know you just want to confirm her identity.

Good luck.

(he sure is a cute pup!) Watch your cats around him. He'll try to herd them, and could end up making the cats hurt him in the end.

EDIT:
Just re-read your OP, and noticed Casey is a she. DEFINATELY German blood. Female dogs are almost always lighter than the males. If this pup is this dark, she's German.

CyberKitten
December 28th, 2004, 12:24 PM
Casey is a beautiful dog but I have to toss my lot in with the other two comments - the bil needs to go - or grow up!!

Iggette
December 28th, 2004, 04:04 PM
Boy oh Boy, ya I hear you about the bil, that story is just waaaay to long, but I will be alpha over him.....lol :thumbs up there will be no question about that, he needs to be taught a thing or two as well as this dog.....speaking of which.....

Casey.......well she is not fixed and I have to find out about the shots but bil has gone awol when do females go into heat? and what can I expect?
The 2 other females Ursa and CJ are both fixed so unwanteds here!! thank god!

Also when I sit beside her and give her affection, belly rubs and massage all over to get her used to me ( she seems starved for it) if another animal cat or dog comes near she turns vicious and attacks them :eek:

She bit me on the back trying to get to CJ who thought she would come over for some of the lovin' I was bent over so no harm done but the intension was there not for me but I was in the way.

I have heard stories now, when I asked about the nic on her nose that she got in a scrap with both CJ and Ursa when she first arrived.

Is it fair to crate one dog out of 4? Will she be more agressive when she gets out , out of jealousy? Hubby slept on the couch last night (no I didn't make him....lol) so I ties her on her leash to the couch leg so she stayed in one spot.

Unfortunatly no tatoo in her ear, I have until January 2nd to perform miracles in her behavoir then its up to hubby 'cause I'm back to work :yuck:

mona_b
December 28th, 2004, 04:12 PM
Iggie,she is beauttiful.

Do you know the name of the kennel she came from?Is she from Ont?Not sure if you know,but my Tron is a retired Police Dog.I had him untill he was 18 months.Did all the basic training,then he went with my brother to continue his training.So I know of quite a few that breed for the force.Well they don't just breed these dogs for the Police Force.If that made sense.The Police Force do not take on puppies.

Also,Tron is from German Blood,So was Yukon.They are both of the lighter colouring.Not all German lines are of the darker colour.Both their Sire and Dam are of the light colour.

Also,the tattoo may not be in the ear,it could be on the inside of the back leg.

Iggette
December 28th, 2004, 05:20 PM
Beautiful dogs Mona....all I know I will Pm you with

Iggette
December 28th, 2004, 05:38 PM
This is Caseys first normal day here......everyone has finally left and she is a handful......

My first concern.....I understand dogs need a pecking order and Ursa Buddy and CJ all have and know thier place but Casey is just downright nasty at times she attacked Buddy.....poor guy didn't expect such a onslaught of viciousness......is this the breed? Ursa is very dominate but she rarely if ever attacks........could it be a sign of aggressivness? The cats have steered clear so far just a few braves came out later in the day :(

mona_b
December 28th, 2004, 05:56 PM
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is this the breed?

No.

Any breed who has been caged up and not properly socialized,especially with other dogs will act this way.I have grown up with this breed,I have owned 3 of my own.My first,Cujo was with me till he was 13,Yukon was 8 and Tron is also 8.I have never see aggression in any of them.Well I have in Tron,but that's different because of the work he did.They were all socialized from day one.They were always around other dogs.I also have other relatives who own this breed.No aggression with them either.

Have you introduced Casey to the others gradually?

Is she spayed?

I would keep a very close eye on her with the others.She could get even nastier.And you don't want that.

Thank you for the comment... :)

Iggette
December 28th, 2004, 06:09 PM
Mona....... :( Sadly casey was not introduced properly at all We had the annual adult Boxing day party at our home this year and when the bil arrived he had his dog and casey.....and over 30 guests ....our 2 already knew CJ she has been here for all family get togethers.
Casey has spent some time with the bil and casey does not like CJ (his dog) for whatever reason....perhaps she thinks bil is her master and keeps him to herself. But now I am sure she is confused because bil left on the 27th to return later today.
Definitly not the ideal introduction at all but I had no control over that.......sometimes people just don't think :confused:

mona_b
December 28th, 2004, 06:41 PM
Poor Casey... :sad:


Well the slow introduction could not have been helped in this case.I'm sure she was freaked out with all the people and dogs.

All I can suggest is taking time with her.Like I have mentioned,she may not have been socialized with other dogs before.This will take time.She is still young.

Maybe she feels safe with the BIL.

Time and patience is they key.... :)

Trinitie
December 28th, 2004, 10:32 PM
Also,Tron is from German Blood,So was Yukon.They are both of the lighter colouring.Not all German lines are of the darker colour.Both their Sire and Dam are of the light colour.

Also,the tattoo may not be in the ear,it could be on the inside of the back leg.

I stand corrected. I was passing along information I had found on the Internet. Either way, a beautiful dog. Sad about the tattoo being on the inside back leg. A friend with a PB Bull Terrier had told me once why they tattoo the leg, and not the ear. Very sad indeed.

Iggette
December 29th, 2004, 03:55 AM
:sad: Oh please say it isn't so, I was going to ask but my imagination told me that is just so sad :sad:

Princesss04
December 29th, 2004, 11:40 AM
Okay I am the dumb one here why do they tatoo the leg instead of the ear. I do not understand. If you do not want to post it on the board you can PM me. Thanks sorry I guess I am having a blonde moment.

raingirl
December 29th, 2004, 11:42 AM
yeah, I was wondering that too. Why is it bad to have a tattoo on the leg?

Schwinn
December 29th, 2004, 11:45 AM
What Raingirl and Princess said...

Lucky Rescue
December 29th, 2004, 12:02 PM
A friend with a PB Bull Terrier had told me once why they tattoo the leg, and not the ear. Very sad indeed.

Ears are often cut off to remove tatoos, but only on dogs who are often cropped - not dogs like GSDs.

My pit bull is also tatooed on the inside of her thigh (not by me) - can't be removed that way although it could be altered.

Princesss04
December 29th, 2004, 01:38 PM
Why would they want to cut their ears off? I guess I am to naive. Thanks Lucky for the help but if you ocould explain this one thing. Thanks for the help.

Schwinn
December 29th, 2004, 01:46 PM
Why would they want to cut their ears off? I guess I am to naive. Thanks Lucky for the help but if you ocould explain this one thing. Thanks for the help.

I'm assuming it is in case the dog is stolen for the purpose of dog fighting. It's like removing the VIN from a car, or filing the serial number on stolen property.

Princesss04
December 29th, 2004, 02:35 PM
That is what I thoughtl. That is awful. Poor babies. People make me so SICK! :mad:

chico2
December 29th, 2004, 03:24 PM
Iggette,I hope your hubbie takes full responsability for Casey,she is beautiful by the way,you don't know what she has been through,but she also cannot be allowed to hurt any of your other animals...poor Buddy :sad:
It must be very stressful,but I hope in the end Casey will calm down and realize what wonderful people she was lucky to end up with..
Maybe she'll change after spaying??Maybe there is something medically wrong with her,hence the defensive stance???
Then again what do I know about dog-behaviour??? :grouphug:

glasslass
December 29th, 2004, 08:30 PM
I've also heard that fighting dogs will sometimes have their ears cropped extremely short to make it harder for the other dogs to grab and rip them! I think the owners should have their ears cut off when caught and convicted. Then everyone will recognize them for what they are!

Iggette
December 30th, 2004, 05:36 AM
I've also heard that fighting dogs will sometimes have their ears cropped extremely short to make it harder for the other dogs to grab and rip them! I think the owners should have their ears cut off when caught and convicted. Then everyone will recognize them for what they are!


Oh yes I agree.....Do unto others.......

Chico.....Hubby has had german shepherds all his life Maybe because he is german I don't know....lol Apparently he made comment about her being a nice dog so bil took it upon himself to save the dog and give it to him

Update about casey......This girl was definitly a BYB she had a female and bred it she had 2 pups that we know of casey and her brother. The mom (dog) would always beat on Casey and she in turn would beat on her brother all 3 were in a 12x12 cage with 2 dog houses with very little to no socialization, the dogs were allowed in on that very cold night though because the bil was staying there that night and insisted, the bil felt sorry for her so he took her.

It will be a slow road but Casey is doing pretty well I think, we reprimand her with a simple loud "NO" when she gets agressive with the others and make her lay down by our feet until she settles. If she continues we tether her to the couch for about 15 minutes then let her off to roam the living room and kithen........last night she was left to roam and she did wonderful all four dogs were fine through the night. She had an accident but thats ok....didn't have her name on it....lol but I assume it was her she coward when I approached the kitchen and saw the mess and said "was that you?".....I did nothing but give her a pat , pick it up and let her outside....she seemed almost surprised I didn't hit her.....but I don't believe in punishment for the dog after an accident.....I believe that we should have let her out more until we learn her schedule that she needs to be an inside dog.

She is slowly learning that she is here to stay and that the other dogs are not a threat, she is also learning that our dogs do not fight for attention because there is always plenty to go around

I think she will be ok....BUT.....we need chew toys for sure , she is definitly a chewer.....loves the corner of our coffee table :eek:

P.S. She is interested at the cats but has not bolted for them at all apparently there was kittens at this girls house so she has seen them before, so she is interested but the fast swat of nails is keeping her at bay :thumbs up

This pic was taken yesterday, Casey is laying down by my feet, CJ is on the chair to the left observing, Buddy came over to say hello, then Ursa decided it was all not good she came over to warn Casey not to hurt Buddy.
Note Ursa's teeth underneath Buddy barking at Casey.

Ursa is trying to keep her alpha status

chico2
December 30th, 2004, 07:49 AM
Iggette,I don't doubt that between you and your family,Casey will turn into a wonderful dog,love can make miracles happen :thumbs up
Buddy looks beautiful :love: he was a big trouble-maker,right??look how he turned out,you guys are wonderful :grouphug:
Ursa will have quiet a job keeping her status in the family :D

mona_b
December 30th, 2004, 07:54 AM
I know of many breeders who do it there.

Tron has his there.So did Yukon and my previous GSD.

Dante,my brothers GSD also has it there.

My sisters one Husky has it there also.

So rest assure guys.Having it there is not a bad thing... :)

Iggie,sounds like she is going to be fine.Just some time and patience.Once she feels loved and a part of the family,then she will be fine. :)

The only thing I want to suggest is,don't clean the mess in front of her.And I wouldn't pat her either.This may give her the wrong signals and she may think it's ok.

Iggette
December 30th, 2004, 08:30 AM
I did clean it upo in front of her but the pats came on the porch before I sent her out........But point well taken I shall remember for next time :thumbs up

Chico......I thought Buddy was trouble to until Casey came and showed us what an :angel: he is.....lol He still doesn't like to be left alone but he copes just watches out the front window till you leave then I think he settles But our blinds took a beating they are taped together in 2 spots now from broken slots :rolleyes: But seriously he has been awesome compared to day one. He has his quirks he still has to overcome but I can really see the progress when I see Casey.....lol ;)

Schwinn
December 30th, 2004, 08:35 AM
I know of many breeders who do it there.

Tron has his there.So did Yukon and my previous GSD.

Dante,my brothers GSD also has it there.

My sisters one Husky has it there also.

So rest assure guys.Having it there is not a bad thing... :)



I assumed it was the reason they have to put it there that was bad, not the placement. That, and all the cool dogs get ink done on thier legs...

heidiho
December 30th, 2004, 09:03 AM
Glasslass yeah they do,there was a story on the news the other day a pit bill was found and someone took like garden shears and cut the ears off completey,and when i was at the pound there was a dog there and his ears were completley gone,,,,,

Iggette
December 30th, 2004, 09:15 AM
when i was at the pound there was a dog there and his ears were completley gone,,,,,

That is very disturbing, Your heart must have sank :sad:

DogueLover
December 30th, 2004, 09:21 AM
Hi,
I have had a lot of success with the following chew toys for dogs who like to chew.
Since he seems to have a thing for coffee tables why not try to find him something "woody" ? I know this sounds a little nuts but my vet, my sister ( who has raised several Danes) and in our home with dogs that like to chew wood, we have all found that a tree branch ( less the bark) from a soft wood tree ( I think the one angel used was a poplar branch) works wonders. YOu just have to be sure to supervise them as you would with all chew toys. I am not sure where you might find one at this time of year but maybe even a wooden dowel ( one big enough in diameter that the dog won`t chew into slivers. Kong toys seem to work well as do the heavy cotton rope chew toys, they get a bit soggy but they seem to work. Angel has a huge beef bone that she got for Christmas and she spends a lot of time knawing away at it............. you can get them at wal mart and pet cetera, and pretty much any pet store.

Those are the toys that saved my furniture anyway.............. ;)

Good Luck!

glasslass
December 30th, 2004, 09:21 AM
What sickens me is the thought of all those bad owners out there, who think it's macho to own GSDs or Pitts, might do it just to look more "tough". Problem is, they'll do it to the poor dog, not themselves. :mad:

mona_b
December 30th, 2004, 05:27 PM
What sickens me is the thought of all those bad owners out there, who think it's macho to own GSDs or Pitts, might do it just to look more "tough". Problem is, they'll do it to the poor dog, not themselves. :mad:

Are you talking about the ears?If so,GSD's don't have cropped ears.... :)

glasslass
December 30th, 2004, 06:23 PM
Guess I was lumping them together, wasn't I. :o Thinking about ears when it was mentioned the tattoo might be on the leg. Why would they tattoo GSDs on the leg?

Karin
December 30th, 2004, 06:55 PM
Glasslass yeah they do,there was a story on the news the other day a pit bill was found and someone took like garden shears and cut the ears off completey,and when i was at the pound there was a dog there and his ears were completley gone,,,,,

Not up to speed on this thread yet, first time reading it. I wanted to reply to Glasslass then I found Heidi's post. So......

It is called the "Bell" cut..the ear cartilage is taken down so what's left of the ear fit's flat against the top of the head, if anything is left of it.
This cut was designed for hog hunting dogs, mainly bull dogs that are commenly used here in the south for hog hunting. These nasty wild hogs can be vicious.
Pit bull fighters found this method of ear trimming handy also. Now it is hard to find a vet that does ear cropping of any kind...


Thank You God.

mona_b
December 31st, 2004, 07:45 AM
Guess I was lumping them together, wasn't I. :o Thinking about ears when it was mentioned the tattoo might be on the leg. Why would they tattoo GSDs on the leg?

It's not just the GSD.Many other breeds have it there also.It just depends on the breeder.Some do it on the ear,and some the inner part of the back leg.As LR's Chloe has one there also.