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Bad coughing and gagging

Bern
December 28th, 2004, 05:22 AM
My mixed terrier, male, 12 years old, started coughing and gagging yesterday and a few times has spit up very small amounts of white liquid. He sounds like a person with whooping cough. Any ideas? He's been a healthy dog up till now and we've never had any problems with him eating "foreign" objects or chewing things. He's still eating his dog food and drinking water.

BMDLuver
December 28th, 2004, 07:42 AM
Whooping cough is the human version of kennel cough or Bordetella. You should have your vet check him out. It could be a number of things.

pugmom
January 4th, 2005, 08:50 PM
We adopted a sweet female pug Molly at the end of September. We were told she had a collasping trachea. However she blossemed in our home. I even cut out her mid day meds since she was doing so well and NOT coughing or anything.

Then on November 12th we awoke to Molly coughing and gagging. I took her to the vet that day. He gave her a shot of penicillen and anti inflamatory. I was also given some antibotics. She did well until or should I say better but started really bad again on Thanksgiving morning. My vet wasn't tooo happy with me calling him at 6 am. He suggested that I should think about putting the dog to sleep if the coughing was bothering me. Needless to say I changed vets.

The new vet did a blood work up, chest xray and told me to increase her meds to 3 times a day and gave me more antibotics as well predisone. She also suggested I look into getting her an operation on her trachea.

Well even on the antibotics and the predisone she was still coughing and gagging although not so bad. So we went back to the vet on the 24th and she noticed (as I did) that Molly was not was not responding well to the meds and suggested I see about getting her an operation for her trachea.

We went to a soft tissue specialist at Tufts Vet. School of Med on December 30th and they did an exray where they take a video of the dog while having an attack. The operation will cost $3,000.00. Which we are hoping to find the funds for.

However I took Molly to the vet again today. She does not sleep with us anymore even though she loves to. She goes off by her self. I am afraid she is in pain and is still coughing and gaggin. I feel she has something that has gone undetected and would like to get a trachea wash done. All she does is sleep and cough.

We have air filters, she is on a natural diet and I AM AT A LOST. I don't want to spend that money and lose my dog. I want to be sure it is not some weird bacteria or something else. Can someone help me??

Thanks
pugmom

My mixed terrier, male, 12 years old, started coughing and gagging yesterday and a few times has spit up very small amounts of white liquid. He sounds like a person with whooping cough. Any ideas? He's been a healthy dog up till now and we've never had any problems with him eating "foreign" objects or chewing things. He's still eating his dog food and drinking water.

Gazoo
January 4th, 2005, 10:42 PM
Whooping cough is the human version of kennel cough or Bordetella. You should have your vet check him out. It could be a number of things.

Yup sounds like kennel cough....and it is likely that it is bacterial in nature and the doogie needs antibiotics from your vet.

Gazoo
January 4th, 2005, 10:48 PM
We adopted a sweet female pug Molly at the end of September. We were told she had a collasping trachea. However she blossemed in our home. I even cut out her mid day meds since she was doing so well and NOT coughing or anything.

Then on November 12th we awoke to Molly coughing and gagging. I took her to the vet that day. He gave her a shot of penicillen and anti inflamatory. I was also given some antibotics. She did well until or should I say better but started really bad again on Thanksgiving morning. My vet wasn't tooo happy with me calling him at 6 am. He suggested that I should think about putting the dog to sleep if the coughing was bothering me. Needless to say I changed vets.

The new vet did a blood work up, chest xray and told me to increase her meds to 3 times a day and gave me more antibotics as well predisone. She also suggested I look into getting her an operation on her trachea.

Well even on the antibotics and the predisone she was still coughing and gagging although not so bad. So we went back to the vet on the 24th and she noticed (as I did) that Molly was not was not responding well to the meds and suggested I see about getting her an operation for her trachea.

We went to a soft tissue specialist at Tufts Vet. School of Med on December 30th and they did an exray where they take a video of the dog while having an attack. The operation will cost $3,000.00. Which we are hoping to find the funds for.

However I took Molly to the vet again today. She does not sleep with us anymore even though she loves to. She goes off by her self. I am afraid she is in pain and is still coughing and gaggin. I feel she has something that has gone undetected and would like to get a trachea wash done. All she does is sleep and cough.

We have air filters, she is on a natural diet and I AM AT A LOST. I don't want to spend that money and lose my dog. I want to be sure it is not some weird bacteria or something else. Can someone help me??

Thanks
pugmom



Did they give you a success rate for the surgery? Or do some research yourself in Veterinary journals.

I'd get that info. first b/c if the surgery is not very effective it may not be worth it :(

pugmom
January 5th, 2005, 09:45 AM
Did they give you a success rate for the surgery? Or do some research yourself in Veterinary journals.

I'd get that info. first b/c if the surgery is not very effective it may not be worth it :(

The operation they want to do is to put a stint in her trachea. Molly's problem is where the air enters the lungs, not in the throat part. The problem is that the stint only goes can go so far and some of Molly's problems may extend past that. So she may still have problems. Her problems are on exhaling. They say that she is good candidate for surgery because she is in good health.

Call me crazy, but I believe this coughing and gagging problem is not from her collapsed trachea. Since it came on during the early am hours when no one was up and there was nothing going on to get her excited. She also is having problems with constipation and feels better after she has a good bm.

Currently I am feeding her Sojourn Dog Food which is a dehydrated mixture of oatmeal, wheat flakes, cornmeal, and other natural herbs. I add water to it and then add meat and vegetables to it. I am wondering if this may be a problem. I stopped feeding it to her yesterday, and am trying a dog food that is all natural without wheat or corn. I am also feeding her canned pumpkin for her constipation and she had 2 good BM's today. She slept with me last night for the first time in a week or so.

I am opened to anything that will help my Molly. I am frustrated and feel that the vets are blaming everything on the trachea instead of really checking for other problems.

I don't want to put my baby through surgery only to find out it was something else.

Thanks
pugmom

raingirl
January 5th, 2005, 10:03 AM
I found this site:

http://www.pethealthcare.net/html/body_collapsed_trachea.html

Do you have pet insurance that could pay for the surgery?

Gazoo
January 5th, 2005, 10:16 AM
The operation they want to do is to put a stint in her trachea. Molly's problem is where the air enters the lungs, not in the throat part. The problem is that the stint only goes can go so far and some of Molly's problems may extend past that. So she may still have problems. Her problems are on exhaling. They say that she is good candidate for surgery because she is in good health.

Call me crazy, but I believe this coughing and gagging problem is not from her collapsed trachea. Since it came on during the early am hours when no one was up and there was nothing going on to get her excited. She also is having problems with constipation and feels better after she has a good bm.

Currently I am feeding her Sojourn Dog Food which is a dehydrated mixture of oatmeal, wheat flakes, cornmeal, and other natural herbs. I add water to it and then add meat and vegetables to it. I am wondering if this may be a problem. I stopped feeding it to her yesterday, and am trying a dog food that is all natural without wheat or corn. I am also feeding her canned pumpkin for her constipation and she had 2 good BM's today. She slept with me last night for the first time in a week or so.

I am opened to anything that will help my Molly. I am frustrated and feel that the vets are blaming everything on the trachea instead of really checking for other problems.

I don't want to put my baby through surgery only to find out it was something else.

Thanks
pugmom



:sorry: for your situation. But it sounds like the doogie is suffering. Maybe a second opinion is in order.... but a specialist from Tufts!!..... I imagine is the top of the pile and really knows what the situation is and what the best remedy should be.

The post from RAINGIRL states about the surgery:

"Although some dogs have excellent results and are truly cured of the disease, the outcome is not uniformly successful."

and

"However, if the segment of the trachea that is within the chest cavity is abnormal, surgery is not likely to be helpful because that part is not accessible to the surgeon."


So the surgery will cause more suffering and not even work at all!!

I know its a hard decision and as harsh as this sounds, IF the doogie is really suffering on a regular basis perhaps its time to either try the surgery or put her down. :sad:

Gazoo

pugmom
January 5th, 2005, 10:58 AM
[QUOTE=Gazoo]:sorry: for your situation. But it sounds like the doogie is suffering. Maybe a second opinion is in order.... but a specialist from Tufts!!..... I imagine is the top of the pile and really knows what the situation is and what the best remedy should be.

The post from RAINGIRL states about the surgery:

"Although some dogs have excellent results and are truly cured of the disease, the outcome is not uniformly successful."

and

"However, if the segment of the trachea that is within the chest cavity is abnormal, surgery is not likely to be helpful because that part is not accessible to the surgeon."

I am wondering how update the information on the collasped trachea is that is on the link given by rain girl. This link is more what we talked about with the specalist from Tufts. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=1527&S=1&SourceID=42

One of the reason the surgery is so expensive is that they need to have it made to fit Molly's body. The stent costs $1,000.

WE DO NOT HAVE PET INSURANCE. However Tufts will let us pay 1/2 and finance the rest. They did recommend www.criticalcare.com. Is anyone familar with it?



pugmom