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While we're at it...Maclean's has a story too!

PitPal
December 26th, 2004, 08:37 PM
:yuck: Here's another one. A least it's slightly objective compared to the other two, and I do mean slightly. Obviously these reporters are enjoying a story opportunity where they can really fan the flames...



December 26, 2004 - 12:57

Governments attack dogs in wake of horrific maulings across the country

CASSANDRA SZKLARSKI

TORONTO (CP) - Dog attacks reached a new frenzy in 2004 - and provincial and municipal governments reacted by sinking their teeth into strict laws targeting pit bulls, Rottweilers and other breeds considered dangerous and aggressive.

Horrific maulings across Canada spurred politicians to declare all-out war against man's best friend and cast many well-meaning dog lovers as the town scourge.

Ontario became the first in the country to seek a provincewide ban on pit bulls, Staffordshire terriers and other similar breeds this summer after a 25-year-old man was almost eaten alive by two pit bulls.

Police needed more than a dozen bullets to kill the frenzied animals, which turned on the man during a neighbourhood walk and left him with extensive leg, back and arm injuries.

New Brunswick began public hearings in November on a possible law to restrict dogs such as Rottweilers, Japanese akitas and pit bulls to address lingering dismay over the gruesome death of four-year-old James Waddell, killed by rottweillers last year.

Virtually everyone who appeared before the hearings was opposed to the proposed law and one official later said the government was considering naming specific breeds in the legislation.

And while neither rain, sleet, nor snow could stop postal workers from their routes, a loose dog was enough to halt service in an Ottawa neighbourhood for a week. The pit bull-golden retriever cross apparently escaped her owner twice.

Tim Dack, who oversees Winnipeg's 14-year-old pit bull ban, says growing anxiety over the dangers dogs pose may suggest it's time for all communities to evaluate public safety.

"Stand up and take notice," Dack says from Winnipeg, where the last pit bull died this spring.

"When something like that happens at one end of the country it should at least cause people in similar positions anywhere else to have a look."

Ontario's law would ban new pit bulls and force existing dogs to be leashed and muzzled in public.

Pit bulls are already banned in the Ontario cities of Windsor and Kitchener-Waterloo.

There are similar bans in France, Britain and Germany.

British Columbia has dismissed the need for a ban. Solicitor General Rich Coleman says existing laws are sufficient to deal with bad dogs and their owners.

Attacks in British Columbia this year included a seven-year-old girl in Prince George who was bitten in the face and a Vancouver jogger who was pulled down screaming by what appeared to be a pit-bull cross.

Many animal and dog groups such as the Canadian Kennel Club support vicious dog legislation, but oppose banning specific breeds.

"I've been doing this work for 35 years, I've handled tens of thousands of dogs, been bitten by hundreds of dogs and banning one specific type of dog is not going to stop dog bites," says Michael O'Sullivan of the Humane Society of Canada.

"What we need to do instead is look at mandatory spaying and neutering, and training."

He predicted "millions of dollars spent in lawsuits" challenging Ontario's proposed law, which bans pit bull-terriers, Staffordshire bull terriers, American Staffordshire terriers, American pit bull terriers and any member of a class of dogs that appear "substantially similar" to the four banned breeds.

O'Sullivan says he's heard stories of dog owners pilloried by people just for walking down the street with a maligned breed.

"This kind of stuff brings out the worst in people."

Adding to the problem is the fact that it can sometimes be difficult to identify a pit bull or discern just what type of dog is involved when an attack occurs.

A disturbing story in Cambridge, Ont., involved a dog that mauled a 12-year-old paper boy. The animal was initially referred to as an American Staffordshire but the humane society later said it was actually a mix of several breeds that may have included a whippet, great Dane and Dalmatian.

It also turned out that the animal had a violent history, having attacked four other dogs before chewing on the face of Ricardo Ramirez on Nov. 16.

Pit bulls were created by crossing a bull dog and a terrier. They were originally bred in the 19th century to fight other dogs in pits.

Some breeders say the animals are not inherently aggressive and with proper training and socialization can make good pets.

Purebred Staffordshire bull terriers are sometimes called the "nanny dog" in Britain because of their pleasant disposition with children.

Critics suggest the crackdown on these dogs is merely bumper-sticker politics.

"This looks like a quick fix and it isn't," says O'Sullivan. "Politicians love what looks like a quick fix, they'd love to be able to say, 'Yup, solved that problem' and be on to the next one."

Since the ban, overall dog bites have gone down in Winnipeg and other breeds have not made up for the lack of pit bull bites, says Dack.

He says Rottweiler and cross-Rottweiler bites have increased, but adds that there are also more of those breeds than in the past.

Of the 147 dog bites up to October this year, the cross-Shepherd was the biggest biter, he says. In 1989, the year before the ban, there were 310 dog bites reported in Winnipeg - 28 of them from pit bulls.

"Any breed of dog can be nasty, we know that, given a host of circumstances," Dack said in explaining Winnipeg's ban, which includes the same breeds targeted by Ontario. "But this one particular breed was being really nasty, all the time."

"Kids were literally having their faces ripped off. We had to do something to stop that."



This story can be found at:
http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/politics/news/shownews.jsp?content=n122606A

LavenderRott
December 27th, 2004, 09:42 AM
Of the 147 dog bites up to October this year, the cross-Shepherd was the biggest biter, he says. In 1989, the year before the ban, there were 310 dog bites reported in Winnipeg - 28 of them from pit bulls.

"Any breed of dog can be nasty, we know that, given a host of circumstances," Dack said in explaining Winnipeg's ban, which includes the same breeds targeted by Ontario. "But this one particular breed was being really nasty, all the time."

I know I am not good at math, but can someone explain to me how 28 bites out of 310 equals "really nasty, all the time"?

Schwinn
December 27th, 2004, 09:46 AM
I know I am not good at math, but can someone explain to me how 28 bites out of 310 equals "really nasty, all the time"?

I think you're problem with the quote is you're trying to find logic where there is none (he says with tongue firmly in cheek).

It's too bad McLean's didn't actually investigate a little further. Is it not true that dog bites actually went up? And if most of the bites are coming from one particular type ("He says Rottweiler and cross-Rottweiler bites have increased, but adds that there are also more of those breeds than in the past.
") then this would support the "they will move on to other breeds" arguement?

twodogsandacat
December 28th, 2004, 03:04 AM
This man Tim Dack is the man who Bryant refers to when he says that Rottweilers aren't an issue here or in Winnipeg. So in fact Mr. Dack has just debunked Mr. Bryant who calls Mr. Dack an expert which would then debunk Dack.....viscous circle isn't it? Two liars chasing each others tails. In fact I have it from a member of the DLCC that Dack recently said in Calgary they banned the wrong breed - I'm waiting for documentation. He just doesn't get that it's not the dogs. Will Rottweilers be next - if Mr. Dack has his way yes!

Until I can host a website I have parked some stuff here: http://liberals-deceive-ontario.blogspot.com. There are a few links to illustrate the real case in Winnipeg. Also bear in mind that Tim Dack is only consulted because Winnipeg has a ban, not because he is the expert he believes himself to be. In fact he has often proven to be nothing more than a follower not a leader. The aide of a city councillor I contacted said the ban was in effect long before Dack was in control. The same city councillor had also challenged him regarding the selling of animals to the University of Winnipeg for medical experiments. Mr. Dack said only 'bad dogs' went there. Still they made him stop it. The only reason that bites have gone down in Winnipeg is likely that they finally had to take some lessons from Calgary. How do I know this - If you read the new bylaws that were adopted by Winnipeg last year the word Calgary appears almost fifty times - proving once again he is a follower. Still Bryant doesn't consult Calgary and listens to this idiot?

I hope to have a full website devoted to liberals before the 2007 election. Did you know Dalton McGuinty asked that same sex legislation be delayed until after the last provincial election, then he denied making the request (McGuinty asked PM to delay legislation - Caucus leak suggests Chrétien agreed to wait out election - Thursday, September 18, 2003 - The Ottawa Citizen)? It shows how deceitful the Liberals can be. Did you also know that Martin asked Dalton to lay low during the last Federal election as every time he opened his mouth the Federal Liberals lost ground? There is some great stuff out there - if you are no longer a liberal. :ca:

twodogsandacat
December 28th, 2004, 03:52 PM
I just want to make it clear that I am not against same sex marriage - or rather a civil union if the churchs want to call it that. My point was that Dalton McGuinty was for it but it had a disclaimer attached - please don't tell anyone until after I'm elected.

Schwinn
December 28th, 2004, 04:05 PM
I just want to make it clear that I am not against same sex marriage - or rather a civil union if the churchs want to call it that. My point was that Dalton McGuinty was for it but it had a disclaimer attached - please don't tell anyone until after I'm elected.

At least from my point of view, I didn't really feel you had an opinion on it either way. Just that McGinty was asking for a favour from the feds.

Loki
December 31st, 2004, 12:32 PM
The same city councillor had also challenged him regarding the selling of animals to the University of Winnipeg for medical experiments. Mr. Dack said only 'bad dogs' went there. Still they made him stop it.

I stumbled across this:
http://www.cruelscience.ca/news-umanitoba.htm

It's about Winnipeg selling dogs to research for profit, etc. It doesn't mention the pitbull ban, but if you read between the lines- The stats seem to be beginning around 1990( year of ban).

Thought you might be interested.
"

“From my experience, all the dogs the University bought from Winnipeg were adoptable.” ........

“Since 1990, more than 2,565 dogs were sold to the University,” said White.

"We estimate that the University made over $370,000 from the sale of these dogs.”

"

Politicians are EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

moontamara
January 1st, 2005, 02:30 AM
I know I am not good at math, but can someone explain to me how 28 bites out of 310 equals "really nasty, all the time"?

I know what you're saying, but I think it depends on how many pitbulls there were in the city -- if there were only 30, for example, what he says makes sense (but not the way he said it).

Schwinn
January 1st, 2005, 09:24 AM
I know what you're saying, but I think it depends on how many pitbulls there were in the city -- if there were only 30, for example, what he says makes sense (but not the way he said it).

That's a good point, except it's Winnepeg, a city of 650 000 people. I'm sure that there are more than 30. (I know you're in Korea and may not realize the population. I had to look it up myself)