Parliament adjourns next week and will not resume until February 15th.

Well at least nothing will happend until Feb 15. Didn't Bryant want our babies muzzled for xmas? Wasn't that on his list? Guess he was really freakin naughty.

Info was originally posted by Pack Mom on the 12th. I think it got lost in the shuffle

Great news! You have made it possible for many of those on this site, to breathe alot easier and maybe just made their Christmas a little bit more cheery! We LOVE good news!

YAY!!!! :crazy:

Thank goodness maybe MB will find a new cause over the holidays and piss someone else off besides dog owners P.S. I hope all he gets is a lump of coal

P.S. I hope all he gets is a lump of coal

Yea, right in the mush...

I hope that everyone will stand up for their beliefs,if this is passed and not follow this ludacris law at all!We have a lawyer backing us and we will stand strong if we contribute in the smallest ways.Pit Bulls are banned where I live, and cops drive right past me and never harass me when I'm walking my pits,without the muzzle.Would we follow a law if it involved racism.I sure hope not.Laws aren't based on morallity,their based on what will get them the most votes.I hope noone complies with this bylaw!

Right on sister! :thumbs up

Mistruzzi, I am with you on this I don't own a pit but I do own a dog well over his 100 pound limit who will never wear a muzzle, unless he does something to deserve it. But I don't think drooling on someone would warrant it. I spoke with a couple of cops last night at the park who were on foot patrol, they approached me to ask about my dog and what there temperment is like and so forth. So as we stood and talked I asked what they thought of the BSL "it will do absolutely nothing responsible owner are not the problem" we have no plans on bothering anybody with a pit or staff unless we see a problem and most of the problems are the owners. Bottom line they said this guy is an idiot off the record. So I said so you don't think I will be bothered because I refuse to muzzle my dog he said not by us. He said most of us own dogs or work with them and realize where the problem lies.

That is encouraging. I really don't think cops want to do Bryants bidding. I don't think Animal Control Officers want to do his bidding either. As is his custom, I don't think he asked for thier input.

My dad asked a cop if they'll enforce this law and they said they will look at who's at the other end of the leash.They said they may go after a young punk type(actually that might not be fair either,if someone dresses rough looking,doesn't mean they are a bad person)

cops using thier own discretion is a little scary, based on appearance is even scarier.

I was walking capone and a cop beeped his horn and waved. I have no idea why. I took it has a sign of support b/c this was when Banning pits was first introduced. This is something that is just a hassle for them. I can't wait till 911 starts getting these calls. And we all know half the calls will be over reactions. Its important to not get discouraged if the law goes through (which it will). Keep the heat on. Bog down the courts. Call when you see a dog offleash. Make them accountable for every little clause in this legislation. By the time it goes to the supreme court we can say hey look at whats been happening already. Look how the animal control officers are over worked. Look at the inconvience it has caused the police. Courts are stuffed to the brim with people refusing to muzzle or challenging the courts.
As long as we stay on the same page altogether we can make a splash.

Based on appearance can be discrimatory but I think the cops are smart enough to figure if they are idiots by talking to them or if they are responsible and I hate to say it but you can tell by looking at a lot of these guys who the jerks are and who are not. I will admit when I was in my younger years punk was very big in the underground and I had fushia hair and only wore black I looked like a delinquent but I wasn't, just a fashion victim and had been stopped just for my looks and always let go because if you can hold an intelligent convesation and don't act like an idiot you will be treated fairly.

Mastifflover said:I will admit when I was in my younger years punk was very big in the underground and I had fushia hair and only wore black I looked like a delinquent
That's funny-I was a punker for 5 years of my teenage years.I have 3 tattoos(unfortunately),I had nose piercings,6 earrings on each ear, blue,purple.flourecent yellow hair and the bleached white skinhead look too,combat boots.I was still a nice person then too(very immature),but nice.

I hate to spoil the party but could they not do something tomorrow ? They are {quote}working{unquote} thursday aren't they ?

today I think is thier last day I don't know how much "work" will get done. no, there is nothing that can be done today in terms of Bryants proposed ***t. Petitions may be entered, new bills read but nothing further on Bryants ***t till it is dealt with by the standing committee. We are safe for now.

Based on appearance can be discrimatory but I think the cops are smart enough to figure if they are idiots by talking to them or if they are responsible and I hate to say it but you can tell by looking at a lot of these guys who the jerks are and who are not.

I would love to believe that TO cops are smart enough however after the whole racial profiling expose and the bidding the cops did for the Harris government when they were in power I really don't trust thier judgement. I know thats pretty sweeping but thats just how I feel about TO cops.

Well its not fair to the good cops. I do agree there are alot of stupid ignorant cops out there but there are also great ones. I have met some really great cops. We have to give credit. Us pit owners don't want to be painted with the same brush as iresponsible pit owners so we shouldn't do the same with police. Although I have also met some really nasty ones too. I think often the power goes to their heads.

I would love to believe that TO cops are smart enough however after the whole racial profiling expose and the bidding the cops did for the Harris government when they were in power I really don't trust thier judgement. I know thats pretty sweeping but thats just how I feel about TO cops.

A lot of the issue of racial profiling is crap. Yes it does happen, and it is disgusting that it does. However, cops are expected to have a certain instinct, that sometimes something doesn't "seem right". A good example of this is the drug dealer who got off even though he was caught with drugs in his car. Because he was black, it was labled "racial profiling". If he was white, then the cop could legitimatly say, "He seemed nervous" or "something didn't seem right". This is part of being a cop, being in-tune with thier surroundings. And the fact he found drugs would be proof that he was using his instincts. But now, every minority who is pulled over, the police are afraid that they will be accused of racial profiling. As a matter of fact, they are so afraid, that a lot of times, they won't do anything about minorities unless they can prove without a shadow of a doubt that the individual was SEVERLY breaking the law. The have a saying, where if they see something slightly suspicious, and they say, "FIDO". It means, "F it, drive on". It isn't worth them having a severe reprimand in thier file and putting thier careers in jepeordy, and they are frustrated because they know they have a good chance of being labled a racist.

Sorry to go on, our increasingly PC society is starting to grate on me.

Well, it is a nasty job sometimes and yes you have to give credit where it is due but it has been a bad few years. It really shouldn't be up to individual officers to apply the law as they see fit. That is not how it is suppose to work. My worry with this legislation is that they will use it as an excuse to search based on suspision of other illegal activity and yes sometimes with a discriminating flavour. There are very clear laws around search and seizure currently and sometimes they have been found to abuse those. I am quite sure that Clayton Rubys interest in this BSL is strongly linked to this issue. The Ontario Human Rights Commission set up hearings to deal with alledged racism on the force and thier findings were that it was prevalent. I would have more confidence in our Force if thier training was more rounded and a higher level of education particularly in the social sciences was required or equivalent life experience.

Note: Sorry Schwin don't mean to grate but I think this is one we will have to agree to disagree on.

Note: Sorry Schwin don't mean to grate but I think this is one we will have to agree to disagree on.

No need to apologize, and I didn't mean to imply that YOU were grating on my nerves (and I'm sorry if that's how it came across). It's the way we are walking on egg-shells around everyone in Canadian society that is grating on my nerves. It seems that as Canadians, we are more concerned about not offending someone than we are about actual justice and doing the right thing. Yes, the two should always be mutually exclusive, but unfortunatly, sometimes are. I used to work as a doorman (that's like a polite bouncer :) ) at a bar in Windsor, and we used to get accused of racism every once in a while (even though it was only white people I ever physically threw out of the bar). And as I am applying to several police forces, it is an issue I take to heart. I don't deny it happens, I just deny it happens as often as is stated. I remember when thier was a black youth shot, and Dudley Laws (who should be deported back to whatever racist rock he crawled out from under), was all over the news talking about how it was the result of racism. He ignored the fact that the kid pulled a knife, and lunged at the cop. How the cop went on disability because, despite the fact he followed procedure, and it was determined he used justifiable force to defend his life, he was so traumatized that he shot a kid. But the biggest irony? He ignored the fact the cop who shot him was black!

Well its not fair to the good cops.

Thank you Luv.

We have better things to do than enforce this law.A few of my comrads have Pits.And yes,they will fight this ban.What people have to understand is that when we get call for a drug bust,we wonder if we are going to see eye to eye with a pit.I'm sure most of you know that they do train their dogs to kill.We have families too.And I don't want my husband getting the call or knock on the door saying I'm in the hospital because I got savagely attacked by a killer Pit.That's second to be told I have been shot.

Yes there are bad cops out there.But remember,we are the ones who see death all the time.WE are the ones who go into the house of a murder/suicide.Especially when it comes to children.I almost lost my brother-in-law(retired) when he went into a burning house where there were kids.Yes they were saved.But not by him cause he collapsed.

Funny how people forget this side of us.

Just had to put my 2 cents in on this.

And on this note,better get ready ready for work...
:)

a cop beeped his horn and waved. I have no idea why.

The same thing happened to me about a month ago...

I'm a guy, so I looked at the cop closely, just to make sure he wasn't that guy from "The Village People."

Seriously, I took it as a nod of support also.
On the other hand, I've also had a police cruiser make a u-turn and take a long look at my dog.

I think most cops won't be going out of their way to enforce the ban, but I think some( by-the-book types) probably will.

[QUOTE=mona_b]Thank you Luv.

We have better things to do than enforce this law.A few of my comrads have Pits.And yes,they will fight this ban.What people have to understand is that when we get call for a drug bust,we wonder if we are going to see eye to eye with a pit.I'm sure most of you know that they do train their dogs to kill.We have families too.And I don't want my husband getting the call or knock on the door saying I'm in the hospital because I got savagely attacked by a killer Pit.That's second to be told I have been shot.

Yes there are bad cops out there.But remember,we are the ones who see death all the time.WE are the ones who go into the house of a murder/suicide.Especially when it comes to children.I almost lost my brother-in-law(retired) when he went into a burning house where there were kids.Yes they were saved.But not by him cause he collapsed.

Funny how people forget this side of us.

Just had to put my 2 cents in on this.

And on this note,better get ready ready for work...




Mona B I understand the fear of opening the door to a fully trained attack Pit-bull but will it be any different when the pit is replaced by a fully trained 160 LB attack Rotty ? I think you understand that banning pits is a band-aid and nothing more .
I also think the law has alot to do with getting in certain houses that are gaurded by {the dog of choice} while the dealer , sorry occupant of the house is away picking up or delivering "product".

No,it won't be any different then a 160lb Rottie.But if you know anything about delalers,they mostly have Pits.And the raids that are done,are done when they are in the house.And alot don't have signs saing "beware of dog" so no one knows what they are going into untill the door is broke down.When we get a call,be it dispute or whatever,and there is a dog,we always ask the owner to put the dog in another room before we come in.Notice I said dog and not a specific breed of dog?

I am a proud owner of a GSD,Tron.I lost my other one,Yukon in Sept.Tron,the one I have now is a retired Police Dog.He was my brothers partner.Could Tron do damage,heck yes.If he wanted to,he could do major damage to someone.Why,because of his training.He is schH III titled.I have come face to face with "vicious" dogs in my time.Rotties,GSD's and Dobies.Back then these were the breeds considered "vicious".And I tell you,it's NOT a good feeling.It's major fear.And if you haven't had it happen to you(in general)then you don't know what it feels like.

Another thing,I am not in anyway against Pits.I have been around them.All very loving and well trained.And I've yet to go ovisit a cousin who rescued one last year.

I don't think that cops are afraid of pits. I think they are afraid of dealers and criminals who own dogs that they make vicious, that at this point in time, the majority are pitbulls. Let's face it, some idiot wants to look tough and have something mean, where do most of them turn? Pitbulls. If you talked to cops 20 years ago (don't know how long you've been on the force Mona, but you may be able to comment on how close I am), I'd be willing to be they weren't afraid of coming face to face with a pitbull, but probably a doberman or Rotti (whatever dog it was a the time that was the dog of choice for a dealer). And you know what? Being someone who owns both a pitbull cross, and desparately trying to become a cop (any advice, Mona?), I completly understand why a cop is wary of a pitbull. Daisy is the biggest pansy (ironic, eh?) ever, but when we've played, she's knocked me on my butt more than once. And I've arm curled her, so she's got quite the grip. I don't blame any cop that has an issue with a pitbull. But I think Mona has also said, the ban isn't the answer (I don't mean to paraphrase for you, so please correct me if I'm wrong)

Schwinn,you said it better then I did...LOL

You were dead on with everything you said. :)

And no need to correct you. :)

I've been on the force for 17 years.Won't be long before I retire... :D

My brother has been on it for 24 years,and my brother-in-law retired agter 26 years.

And these eyes have seen alot.

Pits were not a big thing back then.Not even 6 years ago.But now they are.And I have said in another thread,these Pit that we hear about are not true Pits.I have seen One pure APBT at the SPCA.And maybe 3 pure Staffordsire Pit Bulls.

The reason these Pits are a big thing for the dealers and punks who own them is that htey can do more damage then another breed.

As for the advise,what would you like to know?I will help in any way.

:)

You were so on the money schwinn when I was young the vicious dogs were dobies and gsd's. Our babysitter had a Dobie who would come over with her and was a big baby. As we all know it is not about the dog it is what the owners abuse these animals to make them mean. I honestly believe their are more decent cops than slimey ones which I am sure we have all encountered one of them but I think most cops I have dealt with are pretty nice and decent people. So I choose to ignore the fact there are a few bad ones because the majority keep us safe everyday. Not many others risk their lives daily besides Cops, Firemen/women and Paramedics to keep us safe, and for that I think we should be grateful.
Not back to the original theard nothing will happen this week I would bet on that because they barely do anything during the year and right now they are all going for lunch on our dime and telling each other how great they are since the public won't be sending them anything but coal, bad politicians
Maybe MB will choke on a chicken bone.

As for the advise,what would you like to know?I will help in any way.

:)

Just any general advice. I figure as much as I can find out, the better. I applied to York last year and made it to the end. Long story short, the sargeant felt I should have been accepted and asked me to re-apply as soon as I was eligible. I'm sending my application to York, Toronto (did that one this morning) and Durham. Basically anywhere that is travelling distance from my house. I'm really hoping to get on before our baby is born, so I'll be able to spend some time with him/her.

Not to belabour the topic, but my opinion is that to stereotype cops as racist or power-hungry as a group, is unfair. It is exactly the same situation as what we as pit bull owners are experiencing right now, so we should be doubly aware of the hurtful effects of discrimination.

I appreciate all who have an open mind on the subject regarding their dealings with police. The same media that pushed this pit bull scare-frenzy is the same group that decided it was time the city needed a fashionable "expose" on "racism" or, let's see, "corruption" in the police force. Very, very, very small figures were re-tooled and wilfully distorted to produce whatever results the papers wanted. (Just like with pits) It's a very sad state of affairs we live in when we lack a credible news organization. Please, however, do not think that am I defending the cops who act like jerks - of course there ARE jerks, but even other cops think these guys are jerks too!

Schwinn - best of luck! I've been on the TPS for 14 years. I was just transferred to the High Park division.
If you would like to meet up sometime, I'd be glad to...

Schwinn - best of luck! I've been on the TPS for 14 years. I was just transferred to the High Park division.
If you would like to meet up sometime, I'd be glad to...

That'd be cool. I'm really hoping I didn't miss the cut off for the spring class. As I said, any advice anyone has to offer would be of a great help! I was devastated (to say the least) when I didn't get on last year. For the first time in my life, I know what I want to do (that's possible. The hockey thing and race car driver thing didn't work out). I'm know I need to relax and be patient, but I feel as though I don't have a lot of time to wait for it to happen. That, and I don't want to be limited to seeing my child when he/she gets here only on weekends, because I leave the house every day at 6 and get home at 9:30.

Since there is some conversation about police on this thread, I figured I'd post this here...

In Canada.com's sound-off section, there is an article about Miller wanting the police to cut 8.5 Million. ( Just figured I'd drop this in incase anybody wants to show our police some support. You might also bring up Bryant's ban, wasting cops time)

As an added bonus...
There is also an article about McGuinty claiming "tremendous progress" thus far as a government.

http://www.canada.com/toronto/soundoff/index.html

No,it won't be any different then a 160lb Rottie.But if you know anything about delalers,they mostly have Pits.And the raids that are done,are done when they are in the house.And alot don't have signs saing "beware of dog" so no one knows what they are going into untill the door is broke down.When we get a call,be it dispute or whatever,and there is a dog,we always ask the owner to put the dog in another room before we come in.Notice I said dog and not a specific breed of dog?

I am a proud owner of a GSD,Tron.I lost my other one,Yukon in Sept.Tron,the one I have now is a retired Police Dog.He was my brothers partner.Could Tron do damage,heck yes.If he wanted to,he could do major damage to someone.Why,because of his training.He is schH III titled.I have come face to face with "vicious" dogs in my time.Rotties,GSD's and Dobies.Back then these were the breeds considered "vicious".And I tell you,it's NOT a good feeling.It's major fear.And if you haven't had it happen to you(in general)then you don't know what it feels like.

Another thing,I am not in anyway against Pits.I have been around them.All very loving and well trained.And I've yet to go ovisit a cousin who rescued one last year.

By reading your posts I didn't think you had anything against Pits .
Although I don't do what you do for a living so I am not faced with the possiblity of attack from an unknown dog . I do know what they are capable of and it must be enough of a concern to confront humans in a "bust' or "domestic" situation let alone a large attack dog .
I know the pit is the dog of choice for the dealers and that is my point banning pits will force them to buy other dogs , train them and then we are all back to square-one . Is this not what pretty much happened in Winnipeg ?
If it is the dealers that are the problem ban "THEM" and every other known criminal from owning dogs PERIOD. Don't persecute law abiding citizens and good animals .
Take the gun away from a murderer and he will find a knife . The gun and the knife are not the problem it is the person abusing them . The same goes for the dogs .

Drug dealers go to work every day just like everyone else. Big mean dogs are nothing more that 'employees". This scum will move on to another breed as will other low life. Police Officers will continue to face viscous dogs on the streets and when they raid homes. AG Bryant and Chief Fantino don’t seem to understand this. Would anybody want to take Bryant along on a raid in Winnipeg to see how much safer cops are on raids against drug dealers in a city that has outlawed pit bulls?

Still it doesn't matter what types of dogs are encountered the reality is that many police forces simply aren't trained to handle dogs well – often there is only one solution. A google search would support that raids have resulted in the shooting of innocent and non-threatening dogs as well as police dogs. Police officers should receive training similar to the training many American police forces have begun to invest in because of these types of mistakes. The monetary value of a police dog can run into tens of thousands of dollars, a family pet hundreds to thousands. The value of a friend or K9 partner is immeasurable. Police should have the training they need for whatever they encounter. To not provide it is unfair to the officers and the public they protect.

I did not believe that all police officers would like to see pits banned. This posting supports that believe. Also I have seen pictures of police officers in the US carrying out pit bulls rescued from fighting pits with so much compassion on their faces for these ‘killers’ that there is no doubt, they know it’s not the dogs. I’m sure every officer if given the choice would rather bust a dog fighter or drug dealer than to remove an innocent dog from a responsible citizen simply because it looks like a pit bull.

Thank you for your support for pit bulls in this forum as well as for doing the job that many of us would never be capable of doing – and for doing it every day. :thumbs up

(Schwinn: send me an email at liberal_Refugee@hotmail.com I want to pass your name along to a recuiter in your area )