Pitbulls shot at in Hamilton

Watching the news right now.... seems that someone (possibly a police officer) saw 2 Pits in a parking lot, and started shooting at them!!!! :evil: :sad:
okay, they are now saying that neighbours are sayingthat a female officer felt threatened by the 2 Pitbulls and began shooting at them in a parking lot, right outside of an appartement building. They say it happened on Cannon street in Hamilton..... Oh and "police are remaining tight-lipped" as to what occured. (sorry watching as I write).... The dogs are fine (so I guess the officer doesn't have very good aim!!LOL) and have been taken into custody by the SPCA (hamilton)..... Anyone else hear anything? If I hear anything else I'll post.... please do the same!!

I read that a kid and his dad were being chased by two dogs, only one was a pitbull. The other one didn't get any mention at all. I'm shocked. :eek:

From what I heard today, the Female officer shot at the pitbulls, and she was alone, she went there because someone reported them "running wild".... Interviews from neighbours state the Pitbulls were there, but were not menecing, and that they were more afraid of the bullets hitting their appartement building, then they were of the dogs.... Also, police are now requesting ppl who have been threatened or bitten by these dogs to come forward (sounds like a little butt covering going on..... as if the dogs had bitten someone don't you think they would have already come forward????) :mad:

Arghhh. Figures. Now they got shot if they get loose. Ofcourse there will be no public outcry over this. If it was a lab oh god would the people complain. I would like a link to this story if anyone has one??

Yup,I heard it.There was one older gentleman that was chased by the 2 dogs.There was a cabby close by so he jumped into the cabbys car.Both dogs are Pits.On the news I actually saw a woman who had one dog on a leash.So I'm thinking she may have been the owner.As for the Police being "tight lipped", they have to untill they find out what really happened.No sense assuming till the facts are in.Right?

It probably won't be in the paper till tomorrow.Our paper is called the Hamilton Spectator.... :D

Something needs to be said ...

The owner of these pitbulls needs to be lynched. Why is it that so many owners of this breed act like absolute morons? There is no way, especially considering the climate of media and government induced fear that is out there right now, that owners should allow their dogs to get loose. It is inexcusable and it is plunging a dagger into the heart of those of us that are trying to fight for this breed's survival.

The saddest thing about pitbulls is that they seem to have a disproportionate share of idiot owners.

Ban stupid humans.

Pitbulls are very intelligent animals, and were it up to them, I'm sure a majority would get themselves new owners. Unfortunatley it doesn't work like that.

We choose them, for whatever reason, and they do the best they can to be what we want. The biggest problem with Pit's is they live to please. And if their biting someone, puts a smile on thier masters face, that is what they will live to do. They really need to come up with some sort of licensing system for animals & children. If you do not take a course & pass with an 85-90% you should not be able to own an animal or have Children. Humans suck!! :yuck:

I'm sure that most, if not all of the Pit owners posting here are responsible owners.

I agree that it shouldn't be easy to become the owner of a Pit, Rott, GSD, or even a Labrador for that manner. Mandatory obedience training, owner licensing, etc., should occur. Even mandatory spaying/neutering if you're not registered to show or compete with your dog would cut down on the problem.

LOL about licensing children! Too bad that could never happen ...

Something needs to be said ...

The owner of these pitbulls needs to be lynched. Why is it that so many owners of this breed act like absolute morons? There is no way, especially considering the climate of media and government induced fear that is out there right now, that owners should allow their dogs to get loose. It is inexcusable and it is plunging a dagger into the heart of those of us that are trying to fight for this breed's survival.

The saddest thing about pitbulls is that they seem to have a disproportionate share of idiot owners.

Ban stupid humans.


it's true.

still, even though i was not there, i get this funny feeling the cop discharging her firearm was a not necessary. unless someone's life (her's included) was in immediate danger. i guess will wait to see.

all this media hype has got the cops trigger happy even moreso then before. i remember a few years back in pit puppy got shot by a cop in darlington provincial park. apparently he had pulled up to a park vehicle to investigate, when the occupant got out to greet the officer, and his puppy slipped out the door with him and started running at the cop with it's tail wagging. the owner yelled to the cop that the pup was friendly, and he still shot it. luckily, the dog did not die. messed up situation still.

Its true, between the humane society & the childrens aid society. We are just destroying everything beautiful in the world.

It is just so frustrating to read all this all the time, when it hits so close to home, and honestly feel like we put this government into office to ignore what we say, and destroy our families.

Some good news though, it looks as though if the BSL is brought into effect, the Pit-bulls with rescues and Humane societies can still be adopted, I saw the article on the Toronto star website. :thumbs up

I agree you should have to pass a test to prove that you are worthy of having the love of an animal. Because these idiots do not deserve to have pets let alone a pet that can do the damage that pits and large breeds can inflinct on people. I own a giant breed and I would not have a problem proving that I am a worthy of owning a pet. There needs to be a course you should have to complete. Spay neuter should be mandatory as well. I don't think any responsible owner would have a problem with these things but responsible owners are not the problem are they?

OMG,it's just so very sad,another"story"for Bryant to get his teeth into,I am sure we'll see his smirking face in the news,once again :evil:

The fact she fired 3 times and the dogs are fine...she's in BIG trouble! Those bullets went somewhere! Not only that, if the dogs were actually attacking someone, she would have a straight shot. Hopefully we hear from the owner.

And yes, some of these owners are idiots, because they are making things worse for the rest of us. While the rules are unfair since they target us, we need to use our heads people! Fight the fight, but don't give them a reason to argue!!

They act like morons cause they are morons.

When I was living in T.O,there were Pits on every corner.And they were all owned by,yeah I'm going to say it,PUNKS,who thought they were cool and tough walking with their dogs.The they had thick collars on them and pulling them like crazy.And you can hear the dog choking.One guy started kicking his dog cause it was trying to have a dump.Did I ever blast him.But I sort of thought twice on what I said.If he wanted to,he could have made his dog go after me.And trust me,this dog could have done major damage to me.That I could tell.And the thing is,these Pits that we see are not true purebreds.There was a rally at Nathan Phillips Square a few weeks ago.The next day there was a pic of it in the Star.And in the pic the caption read,so and so with his Staffordsire Bull Terrier.Guess what,it wasn't.Ummmm excuse me,not even close. :rolleyes: There was also a breeder of pits there.Her dog is an Ontario Champion in agility.She also was saying that the majority of these attacks are not by purebreds.It's all the Jo Blow BYB's mixing the breed.I have seen one true APBT at the SPCA.And he was just beautiful.Very calm.But it was those sad brown eyes that got me.I'm going to be honest and say I sometimes am leary of them.It's not because of the breed.It has more to do with the person at the other end of the leash.That goes for some of the other breeds.I know for a fact I would feel very comfortable with LR's Chloe.... :D

When walking Tron and Yukon(R.I.P.) I had people crossing the street.Or they would just stop dead in their track.They wouldn't hurt a fly.Unless they had to.

I feel sorry for anyone who crosses my Whin & Boo, cause if they felt I was threatened, or they were, I can only imagine what they would do. I know they would never, unless they felt they had too, but, I also know that they could.




When walking Tron and Yukon(R.I.P.) I had people crossing the street.Or they would just stop dead in their track.They wouldn't hurt a fly.Unless they had to.[/QUOTE]

Update.

The dogs do have shotgun wounds but are fine.Apparently they are looking for a 10 year old boy tha was knocked down and bit by the dogs.The owner of the dogs was robbed.Cops came into the house while the dogs just layed there.They did not try to attack or bite them.They are looking for anyone else that has been bit by the dogs.Female cop felt threatened and did what she had to do to protect her....Whewwwwwww,sorry for the messed up typing.Been up for 26 hours and my brain is not working so I needed to type so I wouldn't forget....LOL

Okay, now I am confused. When did the cops go into the home, after the fact, to do an investigation? And when did the cop shoot the dog?

Just watched the 6:00 news in Hamilton. The one pit had a gun shot wound on his leg, didnt see if the other one was shot or not. (Mona did you see?) What a shame. I am glad the kid didn't get hurt but it does seem like the police are searching for other "victims" to justify the shooting. The 2 dogs looked like absolute sweethearts. If all pans out I hope that owner learns his lesson and does a better job of not letting his dogs loose. They will be the ones to pay for his mistake eventually, if not this time. Sounded like they will be going home.

Heard another story the other day that made me mad. Details I heard are sketchy but something like a rotti cross "cornered" and barked and growled at 3 kids. No one was hurt but charges are "pending" against the owners. I'm all for that if the owner was irresponsible, but in no way should this dog be punished. Who knows what provoked this "vicious" barking. Perhaps he was teased or antagonized or hurt by these kids. If that is the case, I'd say this "vicious" dog showed some pretty good self restraint.

Follow up: 2 pit bulls: The owner is not being charged. Police still searching for people who may have been chased by the dogs.

No Rotti,I didn't see.All they said was they were recovering from gunshot wounds.So I take it they both got hit.

Sorry for the confusion Schwinn.Told you my brain wasn't working.What can I say,I'm a blonde who's been up for 26 hours. :p

Let me try this again.

The owner of the dogs was robbed(before this shooting).The cops came to his place after he reported it.He said that the cops where in the house and the dogs just layed there as the cops where asking questions.Which he I guess was trying to state that the dogs wouldn't hurt anyone.

Hope that clarifies things.. :D

I caught the last part of it on TV this morning. I think one of the dogs was shot in the paw. They showed the dogs being taken away by police. Both dogs appeared very well mannered. One was being walked toward the van on-leash, tail wagging. The other dog ( I'm assuming this was the one that was shot) seemed a little frightened of the cops.

About the Punks: When I see these guys, I've asked a few of them about their dog and where they got it. I've always gotten the same answer: "My buddy sells 'em."

I remember when I adopted my pitty; I've had more pleasant job-interviews. They pretty much interogated me, and did a home inspection before they would sign him over to me. I'm still in contact with them. Frankly, I respect them for it. Small price to pay for a great dog.

Update.

The dogs do have shotgun wounds but are fine.Apparently they are looking for a 10 year old boy tha was knocked down and bit by the dogs.The owner of the dogs was robbed.Cops came into the house while the dogs just layed there.They did not try to attack or bite them.They are looking for anyone else that has been bit by the dogs.Female cop felt threatened and did what she had to do to protect her....Whewwwwwww,sorry for the messed up typing.Been up for 26 hours and my brain is not working so I needed to type so I wouldn't forget....LOL


your syntax clearly says: get some sleep. :D

No one has come forward as a victim of a bite or simply being chased. (Likely if the 'victim?' ran, the dogs would run along side him.) No kid found who was having his coat pulled by the dogs. Witness was a taxi driver who claimed to have put people in his cab to 'save them' from the dogs.

Part of the problem is the owner of the dogs had a small hole in the fence & the dogs kept escaping. Charges only laid by police about the dogs being able to escape, & nothing more as of tonight.

It sounds like the neighbours have a bad case of Pit Bull-a-phobia :crazy: . Owner :crazy: really ought to fix that fence before something worse happens.

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crazy: . Owner :crazy: really ought to fix that fence before something worse happens.[/QUOTE]


That is a typical example of why we are in this predicament .Owner thinks it is not a problem so they do nothing and when it becomes even a minor problem , the media and Bryant do their best and suceed to blow it into something it isn't . What does it take to mend a hole in a fence ? How much effort does it take to put a postive type latch on your screen door etc.etc ?

No Rotti,I didn't see.All they said was they were recovering from gunshot wounds.So I take it they both got hit.

Sorry for the confusion Schwinn.Told you my brain wasn't working.What can I say,I'm a blonde who's been up for 26 hours. :p

Let me try this again.

The owner of the dogs was robbed(before this shooting).The cops came to his place after he reported it.He said that the cops where in the house and the dogs just layed there as the cops where asking questions.Which he I guess was trying to state that the dogs wouldn't hurt anyone.

Hope that clarifies things.. :D

That helps. Thanks
:thumbs up

:clown: If my dogs got out a hole in a fence I'd fix the fence before they were let out again. I recently returned a sweet Cocker Spaniel for the third time to a house down the road. They said the chain kept breaking and the husband was working a lot lately. I said 'Wal-Mart’s open till 10. Go shopping or he goes to the pound next time". I haven't seen him in my yard since. Total cost probably less than ten bucks and fifteen minutes of time. Pit bull owners and owners of large breeds need to be extra careful. I would say right now but honestly – let’s face it always.

The other reality is police officers simply aren't trained to handle dogs well. Often mistakes are made. Raids often result in the shooting of innocent and non-threatening dogs. A past search of google.ca on the words police shot dog raid brings up results of botched raids on incorrect addresses where family dogs were shot. There are stories of police dogs being shot - by police. Also there are accounts of chained dogs being shot although they were no threat at all. Police officers should receive training similar to the training many American police forces have begun to invest in because of these types of mistakes. The monetary value of a police dog can run into tens of thousands of dollars, a family pet hundreds to thousands. The value of a friend is immeasurable. Would all dog shootings be avoided? Probably not but it would be more likely that only dogs which were real threats are shot.

The officer deserves some leeway here until all the information is. There is a lot of hysteria right now and if the police didn’t act promptly they would be held accountable no matter how it turned out. As for the comments in this thread about aim: I get your point. Mr. Bryant also needs to understand this, firing sixteen shots at a dog will never be as lethal as firing two shots into the dog and that leaves a lot of bullets flying around looking for a target. Years ago a local police officer emptied a revolver in a gun fight. He missed with every shot. What were cops asking for the next week? Not more time on the target range but semi-automatics with more bullets. (laws of probability). I am glad the dogs are all right (minus a bullet wound) and that no one was hurt.

your syntax clearly says: get some sleep. :D

I got my sleep.So now my brain is working.I think...LOL...
:D

Well I read the Spec today.Way to much to type on here.But when I had mention the robbery,it was stated by the owner that the dogs where in the house when they got robbed.Sash and Cruiser didn't even flinch.They actually let the robbers in.Real vicious eh :rolleyes: ..Also,they had just moved into the house in November.No one even knew that dogs lived there.Sasha did not get hurt.Cruiser did and is doing fine.The workers ar the SPCA were saying how they are both calm and melow,compaired to the Pit that's there and is barking like crazy and is actually jumping at everyone going by.

If I hear more,I keep you all updated.

Two dogs,
So your clear, Niagara Region has one of the premier K9 units in all of North America. Go to the Gateway (at Glendale and QEW), usually once a month there are Cop cars from all over the US and Canada parked there.... they are here to be trained by some of the best K( handlers in the world, and to do mock simulations set up by Niagara Regional K9.
Ask any K9 guy where the best training is..... in the states or Canada, and You'll here more often then not Niagara Region.
I work daily with the PD and with K9, and I have very rarely seen mishandling of animals.... actually more often then not, I see the opposite. Police make mistakes, and it seems they might have in the Hamilton incident (evidenced by their attempts to get anyone to come forward to support their side of the story).... However on the whole I have seen that most cops are animal lovers, and most of the cops I know do not support BSL (there is one who does.... but I am slowly chipping away at him!!LOL).
My 2 cents :)

Ok,I've kept hush for the longest time while on this site as to what I do.But now that things are being said I can't.

Yes,WE as Police Officers do make mistakes.We are human.Yes we are trained to handle dogs.BUT,if our life is on the line we will do what it takes to protect ourselves.If a dog is coming after us,we are not going to wait to see if he is friendly or not.Do I want to get ripped apart by a dog?NO.If someone comes up to me with a gun,am I going to wait to see if he shoots me?I think not.I will not shoot to kill,I will shoot to wound.Yes there are trigger happy cops out there.As for waiting to see if someone comes forward,fat chance.No one wants to get involved.And I'm not just talking about this case.I'm talking about any case.Look at the shooting on the bus in T.O.Roughly 42 people on the bus and no one saw anything?Come on.

My brother is a K9 cop.And I know quite a few of them.They are all animal lovers.Dogs especially.And a few do own pits.And they are totaly against the ban.Thier Pits and working dogs get along great. :)

Mona_B I Pm'd you :)

I've always been curious how the police felt about the search and seizure portion of Bryant's law.

It seems like it forces them to take an unnecessary risk of being hurt.
You figure, quite a few cops are gonna get bit.

I know that risk is part of the job (and I respect them for it).

When I try to put myself in their shoes, I can understand putting themselves at risk to stop crimes - But I would think most wouldn't appreciate being put at risk to take people's pets.

My brother is a K9 cop.And I know quite a few of them.They are all animal lovers.Dogs especially.And a few do own pits.And they are totaly against the ban.Thier Pits and working dogs get along great. :)

Hopefully I'll be the next cop who owns a pit (Just waiting for the call from Toronto or York Region.)

ARGH!!!

Does anyone have a straight answer about what type of weapon was used? If she used a shotgun in/near a populated area, against two animals that were running around, she should be brought up on Police Act charges. What if the spray from the gunfire caught a bystander?

The use of force model dictates that the firearm is the last possible method of force used, once all other methods of force have failed. If she failed to, or cannot explain her actions pertaining to the use of force model, she's in a heapo trouble. "I was afraid" is not an excuse.

I spent ten years on the road in downtown Toronto as a police officer, and trust me, we'd have been in deeeep doo doo for action like that!!!!

Well said MonaB and Sherriffsmom we have the best K9 and police officers around. I am sure there are a couple of idiots but aren't there in all walks of life. These people risk their lives everyday and once in a while they might make a mistake but I think she needs to be cut some slack. I am sure that if this happened when we were not facing a ridiculous BSL it would not have cut so deeply, yes we would still be upset but given the climate around the BSL we are a little quicker to react to something like this.

Unfortunately, mastifflover, when they give you the badge and the gun, there isn't a lot of slack for "mistakes". Thank god she didn't get any one.

Last night on the 11 clock news, (forgot the news source, as I just caught the end of it) they said how they can't find that so called 10 year old that was "bit". They also said there was no evidence anyone got bit nor was there evidence that the dogs where in any way aggresive or in attack mode. I wish I could rememeber which news org it was cause now I can't find this info anywhere.