What's up with the bill?

Anyone know what is going on with the bill? It still hasn't gone through second reading yet. Resumption of second debate is showing up on the agenda, but if he plans to shove this through by Christmas, I would think they need to really get going. (Trying hard not to get my hopes up...)

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i thinkthe 2nd reading a few weeks ago.

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i thinkthe 2nd reading a few weeks ago.

Nope, that was just the debate prior to the second reading. On the agenda, it's listed as continuation of debate. I'm just wondering if anyone has heard anything threw the grapevine about the bill. It seems as if it has dropped in importance. I could be wrong.

It seems as if it has dropped in importance. I could be wrong.



I don't think you are wrong at all , have you seen the amount of protesting going on all aimed at the Liberals ?
You have the health minister stiring it up with the doctors .
Sobara telling everyone to hold on as the taxes will increase and services will be cut . That has already started with health care premiums and no eye exam or chiropractic care .
The hospital workers banding together to protect their jobs .
The film industry just asking for what Mcguinty promised during his election campaign .{Dead end on this one }
Us ,dealing with a punch drunk exboxer turned politician that thinks he will get Daltons job when the party boots him after they lose the next election.
The casinos telling Dalton to lay off trying to ban smoking on federally controlled Indian land .
The home builders a little ticked now that the closest they can build to TO is on a rockbed near Sudbury{not quite but you get the drift I am sure}
Dalton trying to change Harris's "Taxpayers liability act" the one that allows the people of ontario to litigate a politician that gets elected and within a certain period of time doesn't come through on the promises{I am sure this is a big priority}
Photo radar
Changing the way Ontario elects the government instead of seats it could be by popular vote % or something like that . {not that they will have to worry about anything with the word "popular" in it}
Anyway they seem to have a lot on the table right now . And in about a year or two they will be starting to think about the next election . So when all the doctors have retired or left the province and the line ups for care is longer than even today, the hospitals are being cleaned by 18 year old drugdealers , there aren't enough homes for people to live in unless you move to Timmins and the ones that are selling have a premium of about 30% over todays prices . We might even see a recession or worse , there goes the tax base and they will have to raise taxes , not a good move before an election . And I bet there are more lies coming our way in due course.All that is keeping them busy and should for a while yet .
Their rest period will be starting in Oct.2007 and it wont be just a winter break either..

:party: New Brunswick! :party:

I am So Sick of a government that acts like Uncle Fuddy & Aunt Duddy. I got by for more than 1/2 a century without walking into the side of a bus, electrocuting myself with a home appliance, or impalling myself while running with scissors. :rolleyes: Good grief, Dalton et all. Get a grip, take a valium, & ease off the breaks. You are wearing them out! :eek:

I'm wondering if they are realizing this isn't the slam-dunk they thought it would be to boost popularity? I'm just being VERY guarded in my enthusiasm, but it seems that if he still wanted it passed by Christmas, with 2nd and 3rd reading to still go through, they are very quickly running out of time.

It's funny, because if they really wanted to do something that would boost popularity, and help address the issue, they could re-write the bill as per the recommendations that have been put forth by the experts. I have a feeling they aren't looking for solutions, but slam-dunks for popularity, given how unpopular thier previous decisions have been, and I think it may be an indication of what's to come, more things that are not going to make us happy. Blaming it on the phantom deficit didn't work (that one fizzled after thier own finance minister said, okay, we aren't in a deficit now, but it will be by this time next year thanks to the conservatives! I think a few people kind of made the connection and went, "wait a minute, if we are going to be in a deficit next year, isn't that because of what you do over the next twelve months?"). Hopefully they see this as more of a hinderance than a help!

It won't make it thru any decent legal challenge. :p

well the just lifted the unfrozen sushi ban.

i hope they're thinking hard: do the really want to impose another ban only to retract it in a future date.

Yea, I kind of figured right from the get go it was a done deal since they have a majority government, but it's just that they are quickly running out of time if they want to do this for Christmas. Again, trying real hard not to get my hopes up. If they want this passed, it will pass. It just depends on if they are re-thinking it or not.

I don't think it hurts to be hopefull. The liberals are doing quite a bit of back peddling this past week and a half so I am keeping my fingers crossed. I guess it is wait and see. It hasn't been raised in the Leg. at all this week.

Most of the Political types that I've seen talk about the ban usually say that it serves 3 political purposes:

1. Popularity boost: Might have worked if the guy at the helm wasn't an idiot.

2. Distraction: Around September, whenever people would start on McGuinty about broken promises, Bryant would start popping up on TV.

3. Something for Nothing: McGuinty is supposedly cash-strapped compared to previous Governments. I think the intial gameplan was to create such an uproar, that municipalities would have no choice but to except the ban. Ontario writes the law, and municipalities pay for enforcing it( If their Mayors want to get re-elected). Doesn't cost the Liberals a penny, but they get the credit.

I think even the Liberal's know that the first one is a right-off. Two and three, I'm not too sure about. It is still a distrtaction, but it seems like some of the media that considers itself "high-brow" aren't biting as easily.
I think that once Opposition got away with questioning the law, it opened the door for municipalities to say no, or make requests for enforcement money.

IMO Bryant was counting on municipalities being forced to ban independantly ("See, this proves Ontario wants a ban"---> Windsor). If they want it enforced now, it will cost the Liberals some money. It's ok for municipalities to say no now ( or to wait Ontario out--> sweat them out for enforcement money), Windsor got stuck-in-the-middle.

They'll probably still try to ram it through, but they are gonna need more 'PR spin' then they initially planned.

Man, we still have three more years of these clowns.